05-21-2009, 06:40 AM
Location: Dallas
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Jrsgun
You can live in your own little dream world but it will still come out only 40% no matter what. If you check around you find out that the Electoral College is not that popular and in history it was not that popular then as well.We are not even talking about electoral votes when this was put out just what the actual votes would have been.States Rights, 10th Amendment & Secessionist Movement 2009 - News ROLL UP YOUR SLEEVES & LET THE BATTLE BEGIN GOD BLESS TEXAS & THE MILITARY
My argument is that the ELECTORAL COLLEGE chooses the president.
Your argument is that the ELECTORAL COLLEGE wasn't popular back then.
That doesn't change the FACT that the E.C. chose the president, and it doesn't change the FACT that Lincoln got 59.4% of the Electoral Votes.
Yes, Lincoln only had 40% of the popular vote. He still had a majority of Electoral Votes.
Bush only had 47.9% in 2000...Gore had 48.4%. Why didn't Gore win? Because Bush won in the Electoral College. Bush had a majority of Electoral Votes.
Face the facts - the popular vote does not choose who wins the presidency. The popular vote within each state does choose electors who choose who wins the presidency. Lincoln gained a majority of these electors' votes. THAT is why he won.
By the way, Lincoln won 40% of the vote without even being on the ballot in 10 states.
So go ahead and keep on ignoring the facts. Lincoln won a MAJORITY in the electoral college, and that is why he won the presidency. Arguing with that is not arguing with an opinion; it is arguing with historical fact. I don't think you want to do that.
05-21-2009, 05:25 PM
Location: Texas
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Those are the facts you just do not want to admit.ROLL UP YOUR SLEEVES & LET THE BATTLE BEGINGOD BLESS TEXAS & THE MILITARY
05-21-2009, 11:13 PM
Location: Dallas
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Those are the facts you just do not want to admit.ROLL UP YOUR SLEEVES & LET THE BATTLE BEGINGOD BLESS TEXAS & THE MILITARY
I'm not sure whether to
or
One thing is for certain - Jrsgun is very stubborn. It's too bad that he/she relies on others' rhetoric rather than on his/her own reason, which I know he/she is quite capable of doing.
05-22-2009, 02:29 PM
Location: Texas
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You may want to consider the electoral college, that is your porogative, but I look at it from actual votes. Showing what the actual population felt at that time. Now get off the the electoral college kick and get back to the subject at hand. Texas Secede . ROLL UP YOUR SLEEVES & LET THE BATTLE BEGINGOD BLESS TEXAS & THE MILITARY
05-22-2009, 07:58 PM
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Jrsgun
You may want to consider the electoral college, that is your porogative, but I look at it from actual votes. Showing what the actual population felt at that time. Now get off the the electoral college kick and get back to the subject at hand. Texas Secede . ROLL UP YOUR SLEEVES & LET THE BATTLE BEGINGOD BLESS TEXAS & THE MILITARY
FYI,
the military is loyal to the US and its Commander-in-Chief (Big boss) is President Barack Obama.
Just answer this one question,
Should soldiers be loyal to the US and its Commander-in-Chief
or should they be loyal to the state of Texas and Rick Perry?
05-23-2009, 09:18 AM
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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yeah about 95% of the people on Fort Hood, Fort Bliss and Lackland AFB would be much more loyal to the United States of America than they are to Texans simply because they are not Texans.
05-23-2009, 11:30 AM
Location: Katy,TX.
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As Texas resident this thread is sooo embarrassing.
05-23-2009, 12:20 PM
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Not too familiar with thathttp://www.picturehoster.org/storage/461.jpg (broken link), sorry
05-23-2009, 12:41 PM
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Dopo
FYI,
As I have repeatedly stated on this particular thread, I am
not a secessionist. But I
do sympathize with the basic motivations and reasons of many of those who are.
This is hardly something new. There is a good reason why many states are passing such legislation/resolutions re-affirming the 9th and 10th ammendments. It is because the federal government has gotten totally out of hand and exceeding its constitutional authority. And has been for a long time.
While I might agree that actual secession (at this point in time, at least) is, in a lot of ways, totally unrealistic and going overboard, "Washington" scoffs at the underlying sentiments at its own peril.
Let's get something straight -- at least as I see it (which ok, don't amount to jack sh*t) -- the federal government is a creation of the soveriegn states.
Not the other way around. And it needs a complete overhaul.
As to the question you brought up as to where "should" loyalty lie? Well, of course, within the confines of the Constitution, to protect the United States against all enemies, foriegn and domestic, naturally it does and should recognize the President as Commander-in-Chief.
BUT...there is an important qualification. That is, the said recognition is
if and only if the president (or Congress, or Supreme Court) limits it use to enforcing only those purposes orginally intended and specifically spelled out.
As a final note, anybody is only fooling themselves if they think most in the military will blindly enforce the orders of a federal government which makes an overt move against the Bill of Rights. Such as (and yep, some want to do it) repeal the Second Ammendment. Or, even in the event of secession (which again, I don't support) use deadly force against their own people.
Just like in 1861, there would be officer commisions resigned, and defections among the enlisted. The United States is still, thank God, free enough that most military personel don't owe blind allegiagance to the Executive Branch if the alternative means killing their own countrymen if they themselves embrace the principles they are ordered to suppress.
05-23-2009, 05:26 PM
Location: Texas
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Thank you TexasReb, secession did not start without state sovereignty being threatened by the Federal Government. As stated a lot of times in this forum, which has increased to 28 states proclaiming state sovereinty ,Texas is not alone on what is a beginning of possible secession by more than Texas. The United States is no longer united in Barack Hussein Obama's way of doing things as a Presdent. ROLL UP YOUR SLEEVES & LET THE BATTLE BEGINGOD BLESS TEXAS & THE MILITARY
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Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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