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Old 11-08-2016, 05:30 PM
 
Location: 39 20' 59"N / 75 30' 53"W
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Beckner retracted what he said DAYS after the Reddit interview, in February of last year (2015). One of his comments was in reference to people being eliminated through DNA evidence.
For clarity, what I posted earlier is Beckners statement from 20 yrs ago, during critical point-in-time of JonBenet investigation.

The reference has nothing to do with current Reddit interviews or retractions.
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Old 11-08-2016, 06:10 PM
 
Location: 39 20' 59"N / 75 30' 53"W
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This has been referred to several times, but here goes again.

This article calls into question the tDNA (from her long johns) done by Bode Labs in 2008, not necessarily the DNA (mixed with the blood in her underwear) from 1997 done by Cellmark Diagnostics and later entered into CODIS. (The newspaper article does suggest speculation about the 1997 DNA, but nothing has been found or published yet.) The original DNA evidence is what was used to exclude dozens of suspects, including PR, JR, BR, and Melinda and John Andrew Ramsey.

So far, I have never read that JR was NOT eliminated as a suspect. If anyone can find evidence that he was not eliminated, please post it.
Re-read the article.

It calls into question both touch DNA from 2008 and DNA testing done on the underwear.
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Old 11-08-2016, 06:20 PM
 
Location: So Ca
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Re-read the article.
I did.

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(The newspaper article does suggest speculation about the 1997 DNA, but nothing has been found or published yet.)
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Old 11-08-2016, 06:22 PM
 
Location: So Ca
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Woodward’s recently released information on the results of the tDNA testing, 11/2/16:
November 2nd Update
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Old 11-08-2016, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Mid-Atlantic, USA
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Oliva told Erin Moriarty he was cleared by BPD on DNA evidence.

Beckner made the statement " no one " will be eliminated until the case is solved 18-19 yrs ago.
1. You are citing as a source the suspect, a convicted felon and paranoid schizophrenic.
2. What he said was, "They told me I'm clear." He didn't mention DNA specifically.
3. What Moriarty said was that he had provided DNA and it didn't match evidence in the case. She did not list a source. No one does.
4. It has been stated in 2016 after his recent arrest that he has not been eliminated as a suspect. From the Denver Post, quoting Boulder city spokeswoman Sarah Huntley:
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"We are not comfortable ruling anybody in or out as a suspect in connection with JonBenet, including Mr. Oliva.”
One-time JonBenet Ramsey murder suspect held on child porn charges

5. From webbsleuths.com:
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From the program: "Just this week Boulder Police said Oliva is not a suspect. Sources say his DNA doesn't match evidence at the scene." But the next day in the Boulder camera we have this: "Beckner said Oliva was a suspect and had not been cleared by police."
Oliva says they took his DNA samples - - but no one has come up with a lab report to prove they processed it.
The BPD certainly did NOT clear Oliva and they did Eustace.
To date, Oliva remains a good suspec
That can be found in the webbsleuths "old JBR threads" > topic #294.

I'm not so sure about jameson's "no one has come up with a lab report to prove..." because I read somewhere that his DNA was on file from his 1991 Oregon conviction, so I would think they could just compare that to the Ramsey case DNA. I couldn't put my finger on a source right now, but it certainly makes sense that his DNA would already be in the system, and I also think whether they got fresh DNA or used the data previously on file is trivial. Whatever evidence there is, it's not good enough to eliminate Oliva (especially if there was more than one perpetrator, which some people believe, though I doubt it).

The bottom line is that Beckner made specific reference to Oliva as not being eliminated, in response to the 2002 Moriarty piece the previous night that said he had been cleared. And in 2016, the official word is the same. Whereas the statements that he has been cleared by DNA come anonymous sources or the suspect himself.

Given the Boulder authorities' inclination to apply a different standard to the Ramseys as suspects, it would not surprise me one bit if a very unreliable or inconclusive level of match for JR would be enough for them to say
it could be John's, and a similar level of unreliable or inconclusive level of match for Oliva would lead them to decide he's not worth pursuing. That's pretty much been the story of the whole investigation, a double standard on what evidence means.
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Old 11-08-2016, 07:24 PM
 
Location: 39 20' 59"N / 75 30' 53"W
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Woodward’s recently released information on the results of the tDNA testing, 11/2/16:
November 2nd Update
Thank you. Wish she had photos of the documents in her book though.
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Old 11-08-2016, 07:30 PM
 
Location: So Ca
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^^ Did you click on the maroon bars on her link that say "evidence 1, page 1" etc? It shows the DNA documents (although not being experienced in forensics, I can't interpret much).
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Old 11-08-2016, 07:41 PM
 
Location: 39 20' 59"N / 75 30' 53"W
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1. You are citing as a source the suspect, a convicted felon and paranoid schizophrenic.
My post speaks directly to the interview Moriarty did with Oliva, nothing more.

Whats the purpose behind a televised interview with a known paranoid schizophrenic?
Did she expect straight answers??

Oliva believes he were cleared....he would've been arrested and subsequent trial if he were quilty; isn't that the way our justice system works?
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Old 11-08-2016, 07:44 PM
 
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Please link your sources or direct us to where they can be located.
Which part? I'll be happy to source specific statements you aren't familiar with or have doubts or think are open to debate. But the majority of that post comes from police reports and is common knowledge to anyone who's spent any time studying this case and that can be found in multiple sources and is not in serious question, and most of which I imagine you already know. I've merely collated the available evidence into one bundle and used simple logic to demonstrate the obvious.

But it would be a waste of time for me to provide a link to a source for something like the time of first light or sunrise in Boulder on 12/26/96, that is a matter of simple meteorological records (the weather report). I looked it up and wrote it down weeks ago, and every single site that lists historical weather data will have exactly the same information. If you doubt something like that, you can go look it up yourself.

So tell me what things in my post you didn't already know.
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Old 11-08-2016, 07:46 PM
 
Location: 39 20' 59"N / 75 30' 53"W
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^^ Did you click on the maroon bars on her link that say "evidence 1, page 1" etc? It shows the DNA documents (although not being experienced in forensics, I can't interpret much).
No I didn't thanks again.
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