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Kate appears to finally be growing up a bit. I think Toby is smart to be working out at the gym: because (1) It seems to be a stress reliever for him, and he's certainly had a lot of stress to deal with in the past few months; (2) he has a child now, a tiny baby, given the weights of both parents, the chances are that the kid could lose one or both of them before he's an adult, so working out and losing weight might assure that baby Jack will at least have one parent to see him through to adulthood and hopefully beyond (and maybe Toby wants to live to see a grandchild of his own). I hope that Kate does not freak out about Toby's weight loss.
I also wonder when Kate started to overeat as a child, and why. Was it because she associated the security of being Jack's favorite child with their going out to eat ice cream? I've been fighting a similar battle most of my life, for different reasons I think, but I've never reached Kate's level of obesity, and was in decent shape in my late 30's. Not judging, just curious about the causes that the TV show might explore; they've done a fairly good job going into the psyche of very overweight people. (and I personally believe I have the so-called 'addictive gene' or whatever; my mother was a smoker, her sister turned to alcohol in her late middle age; both were in healthy weight; I'm food-obsessed)
And I love it that Kevin, who a season or two ago was terrified at the thought of ever having kids, is becoming very good with kids and will apparently have one of his own eventually. I loved the scene with Kevin bonding with his Incredibly Cute baby nephew.
I also wonder when Kate started to overeat as a child, and why. Was it because she associated the security of being Jack's favorite child with their going out to eat ice cream? I've been fighting a similar battle most of my life, for different reasons I think, but I've never reached Kate's level of obesity, and was in decent shape in my late 30's. Not judging, just curious about the causes that the TV show might explore; they've done a fairly good job going into the psyche of very overweight people. (and I personally believe I have the so-called 'addictive gene' or whatever; my mother was a smoker, her sister turned to alcohol in her late middle age; both were in healthy weight; I'm food-obsessed)
My suspicion is that the trauma of losing Jack is only part of it. I think we're going to learn that her relationship with the new boyfriend turned out to be abusive in some way. It's not uncommon for women who go through mentally/emotionally/physically abusive relationships to go through significant weight gain as an unconscious defense mechanism. As if they are making themselves unattractive to men because they no longer trust them.
Kate is my least favorite....always a narcissist. It is no surprise she let the dog go. It's always about her and her eating issues, image issues, whatever. I have a sister-in-law just like her. I have often wondered if they created the character after her LOLOLOL
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Are the writers making her so unlikable on purpose ??
My suspicion is that the trauma of losing Jack is only part of it. I think we're going to learn that her relationship with the new boyfriend turned out to be abusive in some way. It's not uncommon for women who go through mentally/emotionally/physically abusive relationships to go through significant weight gain as an unconscious defense mechanism. As if they are making themselves unattractive to men because they no longer trust them.
I'd say that's a pretty deep reach. Maybe stress of weight fluctuating from trauma, sure...but that last, don't think so.
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Are the writers making her so unlikable on purpose ??
Ya know, I dunno. Writers have odd motives sometimes, but it could be possible. She is definitely not likeable to me, but that might just be my own bias.
Kate is my least favorite....always a narcissist. It is no surprise she let the dog go. It's always about her and her eating issues, image issues, whatever. I have a sister-in-law just like her. I have often wondered if they created the character after her LOLOLOL
On another note, I recommend re-watching Season 4. We have been and enjoyed it immensely.
Do I have to give a SPOILER warning for a half-season that's already aired? Hope not.
One thing i don't get is why Kevin and Kate have narcissistic streaks. They were sensibly raised for the most part; given lots of love and attention as well as boundaries and discipline. Neither of their parents are narcissists. Kevin is trying, at 38-40, to become less selfish and more responsible (and has taken on the responsibility for being a helpful presence in his nephew's life as well as spending lots of time and energy helping out a very unhappy uncle who did not want to be helped); yet he still did a very selfish and mean thing when they were all simmering in the hospital waiting for Kate's baby to be delivered - Kevin kicked out Madison, Kate's friend, who had brought food for everyone - a crummy thing to do, and no one, to my knowledge, ever said Sorry to the girl. Having a child seems to be bringing Kate out of her shell a little bit; she is capable of not only feeling empathy for the grumpy neighbor but striking up a friendship with him.
I've now watched all of Season 4's episodes that have already appeared, and have to wait for the second half like everyone else.
Malik - Interesting character, but he looks like he's two or three years younger than Deja; and he doesn't look old enough to have become a father himself. IMDB says the actor is 18, but he definitely doesn't look it; and he seems physically quite small and slender compared to the physically mature actress who is playing Deja. I found his mother very annoying (so did Beth!). Randall should have been more impressed that Malik and his family were committed to raising Malik's baby, and that Malik was taking responsibility for the child; but Randall was too far into terrified-father mode (entertaining the possibility that Malik would make Deja pregnant) to reach that conclusion, I think.
Rebecca - is she supposed to be 65 or older? Losing the cellphone is not a sure sign of Alzheimers/Dementia; but wandering around and not knowing where one is is certainly troubling. I'm not far from 65 myself and have had some "senior moments" (saying a similar, but not right word, when one is thinking of the right word; like when Rebecca called Randall 'new Congressman' when she meant to say 'Councilman' - I have been told that this is not necessarily a sign of Alzheimers either).
How old is Tessa supposed to be? If she's 14 or 15 now, it makes more sense (to me at least) for her to believe that she's gay then when she first announced it a year or two ago.
I really loved what went on with Kevin and Uncle Nick. I thought he had tremendous chemistry with Cassidy (well-played by Jennifer Morrison).
At least we know that baby Jack will survive being raised by two very neurotic people and will grow up to be a singer who doesn't have a weight problem.
The hints of a rift between Randall and Kevin in the future is very disheartening; especially since it seems to include Rebecca. The relationship between Randall and Rebecca was always so strong; he was always her favorite child.
Do I have to give a SPOILER warning for a half-season that's already aired? Hope not.
One thing i don't get is why Kevin and Kate have narcissistic streaks. They were sensibly raised for the most part; given lots of love and attention as well as boundaries and discipline. Neither of their parents are narcissists. Kevin is trying, at 38-40, to become less selfish and more responsible (and has taken on the responsibility for being a helpful presence in his nephew's life as well as spending lots of time and energy helping out a very unhappy uncle who did not want to be helped); yet he still did a very selfish and mean thing when they were all simmering in the hospital waiting for Kate's baby to be delivered - Kevin kicked out Madison, Kate's friend, who had brought food for everyone - a crummy thing to do, and no one, to my knowledge, ever said Sorry to the girl. Having a child seems to be bringing Kate out of her shell a little bit; she is capable of not only feeling empathy for the grumpy neighbor but striking up a friendship with him.
I've now watched all of Season 4's episodes that have already appeared, and have to wait for the second half like everyone else.
Malik - Interesting character, but he looks like he's two or three years younger than Deja; and he doesn't look old enough to have become a father himself. IMDB says the actor is 18, but he definitely doesn't look it; and he seems physically quite small and slender compared to the physically mature actress who is playing Deja. I found his mother very annoying (so did Beth!). Randall should have been more impressed that Malik and his family were committed to raising Malik's baby, and that Malik was taking responsibility for the child; but Randall was too far into terrified-father mode (entertaining the possibility that Malik would make Deja pregnant) to reach that conclusion, I think.
Rebecca - is she supposed to be 65 or older? Losing the cellphone is not a sure sign of Alzheimers/Dementia; but wandering around and not knowing where one is is certainly troubling. I'm not far from 65 myself and have had some "senior moments" (saying a similar, but not right word, when one is thinking of the right word; like when Rebecca called Randall 'new Congressman' when she meant to say 'Councilman' - I have been told that this is not necessarily a sign of Alzheimers either).
How old is Tessa supposed to be? If she's 14 or 15 now, it makes more sense (to me at least) for her to believe that she's gay then when she first announced it a year or two ago.
I really loved what went on with Kevin and Uncle Nick. I thought he had tremendous chemistry with Cassidy (well-played by Jennifer Morrison).
At least we know that baby Jack will survive being raised by two very neurotic people and will grow up to be a singer who doesn't have a weight problem.
The hints of a rift between Randall and Kevin in the future is very disheartening; especially since it seems to include Rebecca. The relationship between Randall and Rebecca was always so strong; he was always her favorite child.
IDK why Deja is more at risk of getting pregnant by him than any other guy. Seems like a stigma to me. Or that his overall situation is too mature for her.
Randall is very protective of his daughters. A boy who has already fathered, in his teens, a child, would seem to Randall like a threat to Deja; until he got to know Malik (which he was unable to do during that introductory dinner).
Hhmmm, I think you are mistaken. I'm pretty sure they modeled her after MY sister-in-law.
Me too...Do we all have the same sister-in law?
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