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The Scots got their name and Gaelic language from the Irish e.g. the Scoti. The Scoti is what the Romans called the Irish. It is now thought that the Picts spoke a P-Celtic language related to Brythonic languages.
Gaelic is not at all related to old English. I'm not sure if I took your sentence out of context and that's not what you meant? Gaelic is a Q-Celtic language.
Anyway as can be seen I love the historical stuff as well as genetics.
Yes, you are right about the Scoti giving Scotland its name. But what's your take on the Cruthin? Their name is mentioned in some books about Scotland. Were the Cruthin the Roman's Scoti ?
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Celts were a culture, not a race or ethnicity. A culture born in current day Germany when Germanics (culture) did not exist.
Just as the bell shaped pottery culture, which was born in Hispania and spread all around Europe without population mouvement.
Compare it to fast food or christianity, or trekkie culture...cultures.
Brits are basically Britons that went from the megalithic culture to the celtic culture. Megalithic culture was more important for Ireland. Ireland has the most important megalithic monuments.
Roma did not conquer Ireland, Hibernia, but they knew them as they were famous pirates and prowlers. According to them, Irish were savages, just as the picts, probably the same people.
Were the Celts not chased from Europe by those other land-grabbers ...the Romans. As far as I am aware thats' why many of them came to the British Isles.
Yes, the Picts and Celts could be the same people.
Yup, 21st century Scots are as Celtic as I am! In fact hang on a minute, just like MANY other Englishmen I have Scots blood, does that make me Celtic? Like MANY other Englishmen I also have Welsh in my recent family, go back 1000 years and I can guarantee that (like all other English/Scotch/Welsh people) I have 'blood' relatives from the whole bloody continent, are the Scots Celts? Yes perhaps 2000 years ago! I don't suppose you believe all Scots are 'ginger' haired by any chance do you?
Yup, 21st century Scots are as Celtic as I am! In fact hang on a minute, just like MANY other Englishmen I have Scots blood, does that make me Celtic?
Celtic language is from at least the 6th century BC from regions of Europe that are no longer considered Celtic. Any group of people that dates from that far back is bound to have widespread dispersion of their "blood". It doesn't mean you are entitled to say the culture no longer exists.
Yes, you are right about the Scoti giving Scotland its name. But what's your take on the Cruthin? Their name is mentioned in some books about Scotland. Were the Cruthin the Roman's Scoti ?
I read that the Cruthin were similar to the Picts.
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The name Cruthin, Cruthini, Cruthni, Cruithni, or Cruithini(the modern Irish Cruithne) was given to the Picts and to another group of people who lived alongside the Ulaid in eastern Ulster.
No...ufff.
The first were from Portugal, though some presume they came from North Africa.
There's a difference of 800 years between Portugal and Central Europe's bell beakers.
It was a European-North african culture that expanded everywhere.
The culture also expanded among R1b, but much later.
The confusion is in calling two different groups of people Bell Beaker. The ones from Portugal were non-R1b and Neolithic Farmers. The Central European Bell Beakers were R1b with a large Steppe component to their genetics. There was no R1b-M269 in Europe before the Bronze Age. No Neolithic genomes carried R1b-M269 including the Bell Beakers from Iberia. So different people. I'll look for a quote from one of the papers published and post it here when I find it.
Celtic language is from at least the 6th century BC from regions of Europe that are no longer considered Celtic. Any group of people that dates from that far back is bound to have widespread dispersion of their "blood". It doesn't mean you are entitled to say the culture no longer exists.
Quite, the British Isles has been invaded/settled by people from just about every corner of Europe for thousands of years, and now it has been settled by people from across the globe for hundreds of years (in fact there were people from further afield than Europe living in Britain 2000 years ago):-
Scots, English, Welsh and Irish do not have 'different' culture in the 21st Century, Like it or not the Irish 'culture' is very like that of the English and vice versa, despite being from Kent and living far closer to France than to Scotland I can categorically say that in terms of 'culture' Kent is FAR FAR closer to Scotland than France. All this talk of 'Celtic' or 'Saxon' is ridiculous in todays Britain.
Were the Celts not chased from Europe by those other land-grabbers ...the Romans. As far as I am aware thats' why many of them came to the British Isles.
Yes, the Picts and Celts could be the same people.
They were the same people related since 300-400 BC. La Tene Celtic Iron Age.
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The confusion is in calling two different groups of people Bell Beaker. The ones from Portugal were non-R1b and Neolithic Farmers. The Central European Bell Beakers were R1b with a large Steppe component to their genetics. There was no R1b-M269 in Europe before the Bronze Age. No Neolithic genomes carried R1b-M269 including the Bell Beakers from Iberia. So different people. I'll look for a quote from one of the papers published and post it here when I find it.
Right, it was a culture..nothing to do with genetics- They were all bell beakers notwistanding genetics. It was a multicultural expansion.
You place too much emphasis on genetics.
Just an example, say that 10.000 years from now archeologists are intrigued by the genetics of the "pìzza culture".
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