Why do so much people hate on the Suburbs?? (suburban, crime, downtown)
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It definitely would have. But functionally, the meaning isn't too different. The last several pages are partly a debate over word choice, which is rather annoying.
It would have been better if UU doesn't say that a particular environment that hundreds of thousands of honest, hard working people live in everyday is unethical.
UU is saying that designing auto-dependent is unethical. Well there are people who are living in those unethcal suburbs, so I would consider that a personal attack.
Get over it so the rest of us can have an adult conversation.
Which one is the most moral upstanding? The ones with pure snow? Jaggedy rock? Is the bicycle parking a clear sign of moral righteousness? Or are more psychedelic colors necessary, like the fourth picture.
Which one is the most moral upstanding? The ones with pure snow? Jaggedy rock? Is the bicycle parking a clear sign of moral righteousness? Or are more psychedelic colors necessary, like the fourth picture.
I think all those pictures look great. They do nothing for me personally, but I can see why people would like them. If those are the environments that people choose to live, more power to them. i'm happy for them.
I think all those pictures look great. They do nothing for me personally, but I can see why people would like them. If those are the environments that people choose to live, more power to them. i'm happy for them.
Thanks! Government does not permit anyone to live in the last set of photos (the four mountain ones). Do you think that's an issue? The only people allowed to live them are temporary fire tower watchers for the summer, like Jack Kerouac back in the 50s.
Thanks! Government does not permit anyone to live in the last set of photos (the four mountain ones). Do you think that's an issue? The only people allowed to live them are temporary fire tower watchers for the summer, like Jack Kerouac back in the 50s.
Whoa I always wondered what the view was like from Kerouac's tower. Which book was that, Dharma Bums? Very cool.
well based of UU previous post he/she seems to be under the impression if people had more options for an urban environment, we would see a shift in more people living an urban lifestyle and than a suburban lifestyle.
Well, yeah, that sums it up pretty well. I don't think everyone wants to live in Manhattan. But there's high demand for more walkable suburbs, and studies have shown that that's what many people DO want. Not all people, and maybe not even most people, but a lot of people. That doesn't mean they all want to go live in urban apartments downtown or live in a townhouse, but there seem to be a LOT of people out there who want to live in suburbs where their kids can safely walk to school and where they can stroll to a nearby coffee shop or to the library. And among brand-new developments new urbanist subdivisions (which I admit have their problems) tend to come with a higher price tag than conventional subdivisions nearby. Recent numbers have shown that rent and sales prices is higher in walkable communities. That suggests that people increasingly DO want some more "urban" elements to their suburban neighborhoods. It also, I think, suggests that since walkable comes with a higher price tag, there must be people out there who would prefer more walkable, but can't afford it (or would consider walkability a plus, but put it at a lower priority than house size, etc.). Seems like it's to society's benefit to ease up restrictions to better allow new developers to give people what they want, especially since what the people want also has the added benefit of reducing total trips by car and potentially saves money on building and maintaining infrastructure (and yes, I know that many places are doing just that, which I think is a positive trend.).
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