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Old 10-12-2012, 07:30 PM
 
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That's just it, our elected officals are out of ideas.......other than casinos and raising taxes. Gov Ehrlich wanted gambling and they ran him out of office

go back to Atlanta,,,
Oh Yea BTW I did read on another Blog/Messageboard that Georgia may also be considering adding Casino's in certain parts of the Peach State.....
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Old 10-12-2012, 07:36 PM
 
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Who are you to tell me where to go. I don't want a bunch of low paid jobs in my county, all that is going to do is attract the wrong type of people. We should be able to attract IT, Government, and other types of businesses that pay people middle class wages.
They can do all of that in due time. Just look at Connecticut with their Rich Business/Economic Growth and they also have Multiple Casino Resorts in different parts of the state....

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Casino's mostly hire people to make $10-12 an hour. Just who in the heck do you think are attracted to those types of jobs??? And then you'll be whining and *itching about how the casino has ruined PG County. Maybe you don't live in this part of PG county, BUT I DO! And I care about the people are moving in next to me, sorry if you don't.
I am sorry but that really did not make much sense to me and seriously if this was being planned in Alexandria, Tysons Corner, Woodbridge, or Reston there would not be this much Negative BS talk....

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And for the record, they tried to pull this same mess in Atlanta and people were outraged and told them to take that mess elsewhere. People know Casino's bring crime and a bunch of other issues.
Well it looks like it is going to rear its head again and setup shop in different parts of Georgia......
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Old 10-13-2012, 02:13 PM
 
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Oh Yea BTW I did read on another Blog/Messageboard that Georgia may also be considering adding Casino's in certain parts of the Peach State.....
That doesn't matter Maryland is too far from Georgia to be threatened by casinos. MD's real problems are in PA, NY, and WV. Something tells me Virginia is gonna hop on the bandwagon too, especially if this measure gets denied.
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Old 10-14-2012, 07:47 PM
 
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Why should it be puzzling when it is WELL KNOWN that VA has always try to undercut(via Political Connections) the Maryland Suburbs whenever there is any High Potential that Maryland(Prince Georges County and Montgomery County however not as severe) is planning to increase Business, Economic, and Revenue Growth that can potentially compete against Northern Virginia.......
Haha, you so funny. Please post a news report that goes in depth with this "WELL KNOWN" conspiracy between the political powers that be and their stranglehold on economic growth of any type in MD.

If VA is trying to hold onto a company already in state it is different than blocking all growth. The same would hold true for MD.
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Old 10-15-2012, 12:04 PM
 
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Wow another Alexandria Tax Payer in fear that it will draw Business/Tourism away from VA and attract them to the Maryland Side of the DC area........



Your not that crazy Lady and that should not be a concern of your which is like saying that Building Atlanta Aquarium would cause a risk of Sharks busting through the glass and bite the tourists.



Again why should that concern you if you don't have to look for so-called low wage jobs. The casino is the best option right now and it is very embarrassing that people across the river have a Serious hard time dealing with the FACT that the Casino Will draw Most of the DC area tourism away from Virginia and increase Tourism, Business, and Economic Growth for Maryland....
I have stated many times on this forum that I live in PG County. Reading is fundamental. What's embarrassing, is that PG County is so desperate they will take anything just as black areas usually end up having to do. I do not believe this casino is going to the be savior that people think it is. If you just look at the jobs that available are for Anne Arundel casino, these are not high paying jobs, some are management but most are like cashier, housekeeper, etc. PG County needs to attract high paying jobs to really improve the area in my opinion. Just look at NoVa and MoCo, they don't need a casino because they already have so many technology, government contract, etc companies.

Several studies state that casinos do increase crime so why would I want something like that in my backyard, in an area where many people do have children and a family to worry about, including myself. The harbor is too close to where I live and I do not want to have to worry about anymore crime than I already have too.

Here is another article from 2012 that points to the the fact that casino's can and do cause many problems including an increase in bankruptcies in the local area, crime, etc. It has links to several studies on casinos and there affect on the surrounding area as well.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/23/op...-bet.html?_r=0


It also states that gambling addiction is a big problem within the black community, so a casino is just going to make it worse in this area, not better. And Ga isn't the only state to oppose casinos, several articles I've read on line shows that voters in several states including New York and Philadelphia have opposed casinos or the opening of additional casinos.

I think people are just seeing the possibility of dollar signs with the casino and aren't looking at the negatives. I had the same view, but after talking with my neighbors and others in my community I changed my opinion and don't want it here. We have too look at all sides.
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Old 10-15-2012, 01:30 PM
 
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I have stated many times on this forum that I live in PG County. Reading is fundamental. What's embarrassing, is that PG County is so desperate they will take anything just as black areas usually end up having to do. I do not believe this casino is going to the be savior that people think it is. If you just look at the jobs that available are for Anne Arundel casino, these are not high paying jobs, some are management but most are like cashier, housekeeper, etc. PG County needs to attract high paying jobs to really improve the area in my opinion. Just look at NoVa and MoCo, they don't need a casino because they already have so many technology, government contract, etc companies.

Several studies state that casinos do increase crime so why would I want something like that in my backyard, in an area where many people do have children and a family to worry about, including myself. The harbor is too close to where I live and I do not want to have to worry about anymore crime than I already have too.

Here is another article from 2012 that points to the the fact that casino's can and do cause many problems including an increase in bankruptcies in the local area, crime, etc. It has links to several studies on casinos and there affect on the surrounding area as well.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/23/op...-bet.html?_r=0


It also states that gambling addiction is a big problem within the black community, so a casino is just going to make it worse in this area, not better. And Ga isn't the only state to oppose casinos, several articles I've read on line shows that voters in several states including New York and Philadelphia have opposed casinos or the opening of additional casinos.

I think people are just seeing the possibility of dollar signs with the casino and aren't looking at the negatives. I had the same view, but after talking with my neighbors and others in my community I changed my opinion and don't want it here. We have too look at all sides.

Just out of curiousity, what will you(and your neighbors) do if it is approved by state and county voters?
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Old 10-15-2012, 01:38 PM
 
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I have stated many times on this forum that I live in PG County. Reading is fundamental. What's embarrassing, is that PG County is so desperate they will take anything just as black areas usually end up having to do.
So, was Anne Arundel County desperate? It's majority White.

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I do not believe this casino is going to the be savior that people think it is.
Neither do the proponents of the casino. Every little bit helps.

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If you just look at the jobs that available are for Anne Arundel casino, these are not high paying jobs, some are management but most are like cashier, housekeeper, etc. PG County needs to attract high paying jobs to really improve the area in my opinion.
Again, where was the outcry when Disney was proposing a resort? They would offer the same low-wage part time jobs the casino offers. What about any other non-white-collar multinational company? Would you vote them out too if they don't provide livable wages?

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Just look at NoVa and MoCo, they don't need a casino because they already have so many technology, government contract, etc companies.
Let's be honest, those counties have a majority White and highly educated workforce. They also have enjoyed more political power in the region over the past 5 decades to attract most of the government agencies which have attracted a ll of the government service providers in those counties. This will not change for quite some time. They've had the momentum for 50 years. The government is just not going to build new agencies in PG just to make things even. In addition, there is no big industry in PG. At most we have the UMD and NASA. We can nab cybersecurity being close to FT. Meade, but I haven't seen any movement in that area either. Cybersecurity firms aren't breaking their necks to locate in the county just yet. We would actually be in competition with Baltimore for those firms. Nova has software companies and defense. Moco has biotechnology. PG residents will continue to commute out of the county for high-paying jobs for the foreseeable future. Moco is trying to bolster their biotech industry by creating an east county biotech corridor. Northern PG may see some overlapping from that in Konterra and Greenbelt. But that's 20 years away. The defense department is about to take a big hit. So, the BRAC expansion at Andrews will not grow as some had hoped. I'll be retired and somewhere more warm and sunny before PG and Moco become indistinguishable and I'm still young.

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Several studies state that casinos do increase crime so why would I want something like that in my backyard, in an area where many people do have children and a family to worry about, including myself. The harbor is too close to where I live and I do not want to have to worry about anymore crime than I already have too.

Here is another article from 2012 that points to the the fact that casino's can and do cause many problems including an increase in bankruptcies in the local area, crime, etc. It has links to several studies on casinos and there affect on the surrounding area as well.
Where was everyone when Anne Arundel got their casino? You know Maryland Live! is close enough to PG to still cause problems in YOUR neighborhood. A casino doesn't have to be within walking distance to have an effect according to the articles you've mentioned. Most of the people in the area are independently mobile and can reach Maryland Live! in as much time it takes them to get to work. If you ever wanted to shield yourself from the ills of casinos, perhaps people like you should have been in the fight to stop the Anne Arundel casino too. Too late though. Because that casino will cause issues in this county while providing jobs and revenue outside of the county.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/23/op...-bet.html?_r=0


It also states that gambling addiction is a big problem within the black community, so a casino is just going to make it worse in this area, not better. And Ga isn't the only state to oppose casinos, several articles I've read on line shows that voters in several states including New York and Philadelphia have opposed casinos or the opening of additional casinos.
One thing I have to disagree with is that the NH casino will be located in a poor African American neighborhood. PG, when it comes to income, is no slouch compared to other African-American communities in other areas. Second, those other casinos aren't located in high volume tourist areas other than Las Vegas and Atlantic City. DC is an international tourist city which suggests that you will not have just locals visiting the casino, but international travelers as well. Cleveland? Foxborough? Bethlehem? Come on. What international traveler says, "When I go to Cleveland, I really would like to check out the casino there." What foreign traveler goes to Cleveland to see the sights? DC has a bigger draw than any US city probably other than New York and Florida. Therefore, I believe the comparison may be a bit skewed when it comes to revenues for casinos.

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I think people are just seeing the possibility of dollar signs with the casino and aren't looking at the negatives. I had the same view, but after talking with my neighbors and others in my community I changed my opinion and don't want it here. We have too look at all sides.

I look at the negatives as well. And while any establishment such as a casino will cause certain addictions or problems for people who are susceptible to those things, does that mean a majority of the people will? In addition, should a majority not be able to enjoy the casino because of the lack of self control for the few? If that was the case, there would be no lottery, no liquor or alcohol sold in the state, and no pornographic material sales allowed. We have all of those and yet the county has not degraded into a cesspool.

While some people feel that the risk of those ills is too great, I feel that they will be inconsequential. Is the casino a Godsend? No. Not hardly. Will there be a net gain in benefits? I tend to believe so. Now, if I lived in Cleveland or Bethlehem, I may have a different view. But this is D.C. and PG, one of the wealthiest African American communities in the country. I give us more benefit of the doubt that people in this county won't **** all of that wealth away on shiny new slot machines. As we both agree, we do have a well educated population here. And it has been shown that the African American population here is more well off than most. That's why I don't see this disaster that everyone seems to be expecting from a casino. Like I said, any damage a casino at National Harbor will do, Maryland Live can do just as well.

It's time for people to start taking responsibility for their actions. No one is forcing them to go into the casino. No one is forcing them to spend what they don't have on games. It's time we stop coddling our community and treat them like sober adults and not as a people with no self control. I don't want to live in a county where it is treated as some irresponsible immature adolescent while other counties enjoy respect and trust from business and government. That BS gets old. Have you read the comment section on ANY PG article in news media? Some commentors can be A**holes, but there is an underlying perception that we just can't get our act together. It's time to "man up" and change that perception that we have to be protected from "adult things" because we don't have the self control or the know-how to handle ourselves.

If anyone should know that gambling can create poverty, it's the African American community. So, why would we dive in head-first like lemmings when a casino is built and fulfill the stereotype? IF we do, them we'll never be seen as a people who can rise above negative perceptions. If any African American community can do it, I think PG can. If we allow a casino to destroy our community, then we prove others right. And it continues the sad commentary on the African American community and we deserve not to have any high-paying jobs to locate here.
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Old 10-15-2012, 02:43 PM
 
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Realistically Anne Arundel county is too far to really have any affect on my crime in my neighborhood, so my concern really lies with the area I live in. I'm not familiar enough with Anne Arundel county to know if they are desperate but often times desperate areas do consider casinos. And it's obvious that PG County is desperate for the revenue because companies have refused to move here and property taxes are already sky high. I just hope people are looking at these casinos from all angles, I certainly will not be voting yes for this.
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Old 10-15-2012, 04:28 PM
 
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Realistically Anne Arundel county is too far to really have any affect on my crime in my neighborhood, so my concern really lies with the area I live in.
I disagree. If a person with mobility has a gambling problem, Maryland Live! is well within driving distance for a weekend of gambling. What you're saying is it is impossible for those in your neighborhood, who are mobile and would be susceptible to gambling addictions at NH won't be susceptible to Maryland Live! 45 minutes north? I have friends and family from Richmond to D.C. talking about going to Maryland Live!. What's to stop those in Oxon Hill and Fort Washington areas from doing the same EVERY weekend and going broke?
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Old 10-15-2012, 05:41 PM
 
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I disagree. If a person with mobility has a gambling problem, Maryland Live! is well within driving distance for a weekend of gambling. What you're saying is it is impossible for those in your neighborhood, who are mobile and would be susceptible to gambling addictions at NH won't be susceptible to Maryland Live! 45 minutes north? I have friends and family from Richmond to D.C. talking about going to Maryland Live!. What's to stop those in Oxon Hill and Fort Washington areas from doing the same EVERY weekend and going broke?
Adelphi, I believe what Missing is saying is having a casino in NH would increase the number of robberies, burglaries, home invasions, assaults, murders, etc. That's what a lot of the studies against it say. The problems with these studies are that they don't account for the current model taking place in that industry.

Most were longitudinal studies that focused on LV and AC from the 70s to the mid 90s. And published in the latter part of the 20th century. Aside from being dated, it doesn't account for the centralization of the industry to one that is geographically dispersed. It also doesn't account for the other environmental issues that may be relevant in some areas and not in others. Now can someone use it to guide their opinion? Of course but personally I feel that the information in most of these studies may not be applicable to what is happening now.

To date, I have not been able to find an independent study written in recent years that details the negative impact that casinos have had in the communities they have entered. I also haven't seen one that speaks to the increase in crime etc. that has occurred in MD as a direct result of the casinos currently in existence.
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