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Old 06-09-2017, 02:51 PM
 
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I'm from Motueka, which is around 50 km from Nelson. It has cooler minimums and warmer maximums than Nelson in all months. Nelson's station is within spitting distance of the sea, so that impacts on the averages, whereas Motueka's station is inland a bit further. Nelson doesn't have particularly warm summer nights, even Wellington is warmer

If you're going by individual locations, then you can't just use Ipswich.

No, I'm from Motueka, but only work in horticulture a little these days, although I do grow crops for sale.
But isn't Motueka itself sitting right on the coast? It may perhaps be a bit more moderated than its station?
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Old 06-09-2017, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Ipswich,England
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I think the important point is that by definition a season has little to do with how it feels, although summer should definitely be warmer than winter, there is no real definition of how much warmer.

I'd certainly consider August as summer, because it often contains our hottest days. Whereas November is definitely autumn since that's when the most of the leaf shedding process takes place, which in my view is the major thing which defines autumn as a season. With trees budding being the most prominent feature of spring.

I think our winter does at least stretch into the first half of March however. I'd also consider the first half of September to be summer. In fact some of my favorite conditions occur in early September.
tree budding ,yes of course - forgot to mention that one .

Trees are nearly always bare by November are they not ? they certainly are by mid Nov. I will have to check this one . Most trees in the neighborhood including mine aren't deciduous - have they gone out of fashion ?

August does contain some hot days indeed - although i'm finding the month more and more unreliable though .It feels like the wettest month these days with the regular downpours though .

September to me strangely feels sunnier and warmer . It does fall under my ' sometimes a summer month ' category - and i'd say yes,more often than not warm and sunny .

March is odd - in like a Lion ,out like a lamb .

This March was sunbathing , the March before was a fleeced up affair - always cold nights though
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Old 06-09-2017, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Foreignorland 58 N, 17 E.
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March is here is cool because of the crazy diurnals, especially towards the end of the month when 11/-2 days are pretty standard!

It's the month that in a way fits the stereotype perfectly and not at all:

It fits because of the four seasons in one day-feel of the month, but its high diurnals are something not really associated with a place that has January lows above -5C most of the time!
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Old 06-09-2017, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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But isn't Motueka itself sitting right on the coast? It may perhaps be a bit more moderated than its station?
Yep, the town itself has waterfront, and the station there shows a warmest month maximum of 23.2C and a coldest maximum of 1.3C -still less moderated than Nelson.
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Old 06-09-2017, 02:55 PM
 
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tree budding of course .

Trees are nearly always bare by November are they not ? they certainly are by mid Nov. I will have to check this one . Most trees in the neighborhood including mine aren't deciduous - have they gone out of fashion ?

August does contain some hot days indeed - although i'm finding the month more and more unreliable though .It feels like the wettest month these days with the regular downpours though .

September to me strangely feels sunnier and warmer . It does fall under my ' sometimes a summer month ' category - and i'd say yes,more often than not warm and sunny .

March is odd - in like a Lion ,out like a lamb .

This March was sunbathing , the March before was a fleeced up affair - always cold nights though
Up here the Autumn "bloom" peaks in late October and early November. But will still have leaves left to fall even at the end of November. Although that is roughly the time of year where our climate becomes generally warmer than yours so that could work to slow the process down.

August strikes me as unreliable, but also the most potent when heatwaves arrive. We had a 33C in August last year, and our hottest ever temperature was recorded in August, 35C, just a fraction below your record.
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Old 06-09-2017, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Ipswich,England
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I'm from Motueka, which is around 50 km from Nelson. It has cooler minimums and warmer maximums than Nelson in all months. Nelson's station is within spitting distance of the sea, so that impacts on the averages, whereas Motueka's station is inland a bit further. Nelson doesn't have particularly warm summer nights, even Wellington is warmer

If you're not going by individual locations, then you can't just use Ipswich.

No, I'm from Motueka, but only work in horticulture a little these days, although I do grow crops for sale.
I was simply using it as a barometer vs NZ locations as it is what i know ,and it transpires it's around the average of NZ stations north of Christchurch .

England as a whole will be 1.6c cooler as like i say , it will include some very cool locations ...the country stretches right up to 55 degrees N.

No argument there of course - that would be ridiculous
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Old 06-09-2017, 03:03 PM
 
Location: Ipswich,England
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Up here the Autumn "bloom" peaks in late October and early November. But will still have leaves left to fall even at the end of November. Although that is roughly the time of year where our climate becomes generally warmer than yours so that could work to slow the process down.

August strikes me as unreliable, but also the most potent when heatwaves arrive. We had a 33C in August last year, and our hottest ever temperature was recorded in August, 35C, just a fraction below your record.

I was wondering about whether leaves stay on the trees longer in mild areas - or in fact what prompts them to fall early .

I was told that leaves can fall early if they don't get enough rain as they become stressed - also gales take their toll of course .

I saw leaves falling like CRAZY in AUGUST 2014 in Cambridge where there were a lot of chesnut trees and the like - haven't a clue what caused that episode - i just though 'what the hell is going on here ?
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Old 06-09-2017, 03:06 PM
 
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I was wondering about whether leaves stay on the trees longer in mild areas - or in fact what prompts them to fall early .

I was told that leaves can fall early if they don't get enough rain as they become stressed - also gales take their toll of course .

I saw leaves falling like CRAZY in AUGUST 2014 in Cambridge where there were a lot of chesnut trees and the like - haven't a clue what caused that episode - i just though 'what the hell is going on here ?
We don't have to worry as much about lack of rain as you do, that time of year is by far our wettest.
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Old 06-09-2017, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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I was simply using it as a barometer vs NZ locations as it is what i know ,and it transpires it's around the average of NZ stations north of Christchurch .

England as a whole will be 1.6c cooler as like i say , it will include some very cool locations ...the country stretches right up to 55 degrees N.

No argument there of course - that would be ridiculous
NZ includes some very cool locations as well -cooler than England.

Ipswich is slightly cooler than Wellington in summer., so that would be like saying Wellington is warmer than the NZ average north of Christchurch - which I wouldn't think is correct.
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Old 06-09-2017, 03:15 PM
 
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NZ includes some very cool locations as well -cooler than England.

Ipswich is slightly cooler than Wellington in summer., so that would be like saying Wellington is warmer than the NZ average north of Christchurch - which I wouldn't think is correct.
Ipswich is cooler than Wellington in summer? The climate boxes make Ispwich appear noticeably warmer during the summer.
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