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Also, what's with people thinking the only "subtropical vegetation" is palm trees?
And why are date palms (native to arid regions) the measure of a humid subtropical climate? The US South has some of the most unique vegetation in the world, but it's often dismissed just because of its hardiness.
And why are date palms (native to arid regions) the measure of a humid subtropical climate? The US South has some of the most unique vegetation in the world, but it's often dismissed just because of its hardiness.
I don't get it either, also I don't quite understand why so many palm enthusiasts act as if everyone should jerk off to palms too. The amount of "OMG why would you like that climate if it can't grow palms" or "why don't they line the streets with palms if the climate is capable of it" comments on this forum is almost stupid. Is it really that hard to understand that not everyone cares about palm trees? Lol.
I don't get it either, also I don't quite understand why so many palm enthusiasts act as if everyone should jerk off to palms too. The amount of "OMG why would you like that climate if it can't grow palms" or "why don't they line the streets with palms if the climate is capable of it" comments on this forum is almost stupid. Is it really that hard to understand that not everyone cares about palm trees? Lol.
I love sabal palms. They are more appealing to me than phoenix palms.
And of course, the pine forests and live oak are beautiful as well.
The problem I have with the many people trying to redefine "subtropical" to mean places that get next to no cold days per year is that it basically limits the "subtropics" to two extremely thin bands between the tropics and temperate zones. I think that people focus too much on the "tropical" part and not enough on the "sub". These people always complain about subtropical cities having subzero record lows, yet they never complain about subarctic cities such as Yellowknife having record highs in the 90s. The way I view a subtropical climate is that it is dominated by warmth in the same way that a subarctic climate is dominated by cold even though they both have short seasons that go against their overall trends.
Not comparable at all! The subtropics dropping down to well below freezing is a killer. A 90F day in the subarctic biome is just one day out of the ordinary, a 20F night in the subtropics may kill all your fruit.
Not comparable at all! The subtropics dropping down to well below freezing is a killer. A 90F day in the subarctic biome is just one day out of the ordinary, a 20F night in the subtropics may kill all your fruit.
So, once again, it's a gardening argument rather than a climate one.
Not comparable at all! The subtropics dropping down to well below freezing is a killer. A 90F day in the subarctic biome is just one day out of the ordinary, a 20F night in the subtropics may kill all your fruit.
Is this sarcastic? Asserting that you should have a garden in a subtropical climate in winter is as ridiculous as saying you couldn't grow anything in a subarctic summer. Again it's SUB tropical....not completely tropical. You likely wouldn't have a garden in Atlanta or Birmingham in winter but to say they aren't subtropical is quite ridiculous. Anyways with already bare vegetation in winter, a 20 F low wouldn't really affect anything that much.
Is this sarcastic? Asserting that you should have a garden in a subtropical climate in winter is as ridiculous as saying you couldn't grow anything in a subarctic summer. Again it's SUB tropical....not completely tropical. You likely wouldn't have a garden in Atlanta or Birmingham in winter but to say they aren't subtropical is quite ridiculous. Anyways with already bare vegetation in winter, a 20 F low wouldn't really affect anything that much.
Some people manage to pull off winter gardening with things like peas. Camellias and roses are blooming right now here.
Not comparable at all! The subtropics dropping down to well below freezing is a killer. A 90F day in the subarctic biome is just one day out of the ordinary, a 20F night in the subtropics may kill all your fruit.
I agree. You can't compare the two (i.e., warm anomalies to cold ones). It's apples to oranges. What use are climate classifications if they don't pertain to things that matter to people, like agriculture?
I don't understand why people act as if you have a garden year round in all subtropical climates a 20 F low in a place like Jackson, MS would do absolutely nothing to affect the vegetation there. Jackson, MS is pretty much the archetype for subtropical also.
Just like a 90 F high in Yakutsk in July wouldn't do anything to the vegetation. I'm not really seeing how it's apples to oranges it's the same thing just the opposite.
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Asserting that you should have a garden in a subtropical climate in winter is as ridiculous as saying you couldn't grow anything in a subarctic summer. Again it's SUB tropical....not completely tropical. You likely wouldn't have a garden in Atlanta or Birmingham in winter but to say they aren't subtropical is quite ridiculous. Anyways with already bare vegetation in winter, a 20 F low wouldn't really affect anything that much.
