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All I want in a subtropical climate is the ability to stay green in winter, for the most part, some flowering plants, and a majority of the winter days being above 55F for the high temp.
No, in Miami (which is a tropical climate), every day has a high above 55°F, and going higher, they only average 10 days with highs below 70°F in a typical year.
Phoenix, though dry, would be what Tom is looking for (Temperature wise).
Phoenix in a typical year has 3 days with highs below 55°F, and averages 13 days with highs below 60°F, and comparing this stat to Miami, an average year has 61 days with highs below 70°F
It's not pure tropical when they got snow and used to get 30's when we had real winters. Now with it warming up so fast i may have to call it tropical in another 30 years.
Miami sure did back in Jan 1977. Better dig back in the records. Maybe Key west is the only place i would call kinda pure tropical for FL. If a place gets to low 40's and into the 30's i can't see it being tropical.
Phoenix is too dry to be pure tropical and i would think they get into the 30's with that super dry air.
Miami is without question a 'tropical' climate despite being north of the Tropic of Cancer and 1,783 miles from the equator.
Miami and the far north Queensland city of Townsville have very similar climate data recordings. Townsville is 1,330 miles from the Equator and is regarded as your quintessential tropical Australian city.
The main difference between the two places climatically is that Miami may experience 1 in 50 year or 1 in 100 year freeze events, ie cold and Townsville may experience extreme heat as a 1 in 100 year event, ie days above 110f.
The +105f days experienced in Townsville doesn't have us claiming Townsville is a dry hot desert climate.
Weather anomalies can and do occur....hell, even Townsville's Airport has recorded a 34F winter morning. Again, a 1 in 100 year event.
The most northerly recorded snowfall in Australia happened in 1965 in the hills east of Mackay at 21.14*S....well inside the tropics. Again a 1 in 100 year event.
I don't use extreme records as proof of a climate classification. I use the means/averages for the months and year and 5th% and 10th% and 90th% and 95th% ( percentile ) for means both maxs and mins extremes.
Oh and Townsville is a very Palmy city.
Miami is without question a 'tropical' climate despite being north of the Tropic of Cancer and 1,783 miles from the equator.
Miami and the far north Queensland city of Townsville have very similar climate data recordings. Townsville is 1,330 miles from the Equator and is regarded as your quintessential tropical Australian city.
The main difference between the two places climatically is that Miami may experience 1 in 50 year or 1 in 100 year freeze events, ie cold and Townsville may experience extreme heat as a 1 in 100 year event, ie days above 110f.
The +105f days experienced in Townsville doesn't have us claiming Townsville is a dry hot desert climate.
Weather anomalies can and do occur....hell, even Townsville's Airport has recorded a 34F winter morning. Again, a 1 in 100 year event.
The most northerly recorded snowfall in Australia happened in 1965 in the hills east of Mackay at 21.14*S....well inside the tropics. Again a 1 in 100 year event.
I don't use extreme records as proof of a climate classification. I use the means/averages for the months and year and 5th% and 10th% and 90th% and 95th% ( percentile ) for means both maxs and mins extremes.
Oh and Townsville is a very Palmy city.
They even have a palmetum, which is worth visiting if you're in that part of the world. Very big collection of palms, including some rare ones like the coco de mer.
They even have a palmetum, which is worth visiting if you're in that part of the world. Very big collection of palms, including some rare ones like the coco de mer.
Miami has both world renowned Fairchild Tropical Botanical Garden and the Montgomery Botanical Center (the leading academic institution in palm research and conservation).
All I want in a subtropical climate is the ability to stay green in winter, for the most part, some flowering plants, and a majority of the winter days being above 55F for the high temp.
It's also important to kill off mid-latitude westerly activity/wind-shear, etc. That is what is possible for producing the violent, deadly tornadoes in certain areas of the US subtropical climates (i.e. Great Plains, Dixie Alley, etc).
Tropical climates don't deal with mid-latitude nonsense of tornadoes, hail, etc. Hence why they are ideal.
Oklahoma City is nowhere near real subtropical as far as I am concerned with the record low of -17 recorded this February alone. Most of the subtropicality is mostly along the SE ridge, starting with SC and GA for one. I've also noticed that the Gulf South is a lot more continental than the SE ridge too, which makes anywhere west of GA a risky situation.
Records don't define a climate... averages do. Record highs for winter where I live are in then 60s, but that doesn't make us non-continental.
They even have a palmetum, which is worth visiting if you're in that part of the world. Very big collection of palms, including some rare ones like the coco de mer.
Thanks for inspiring me to Google "Coco de mer" this morning at work. Now I'm giggling like a 14 year old at my cubicle!
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