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View Poll Results: Are palms required for a subtropical climate?
Yes 29 39.73%
No 44 60.27%
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Old 11-14-2021, 07:54 AM
 
Location: St. Louis Park, MN
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Palm trees aren't required as NY and Philly are subtropical cities (much to the chagrin of some posters here) and aren't exactly "palmy" places. Plenty of deciduous trees are endemic of subtropical climates and those should get as much recognition as palms. You don't really see American sweetgum in the continental regions much, do ya?
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Old 11-14-2021, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Augusta, Ga
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Tropical climates don't deal with mid-latitude nonsense of tornadoes, hail, etc. Hence why they are ideal.
With tropical climates you get to enjoy typhons, high humidity, bugs, pestilence, ect.
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Old 11-14-2021, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Portsmouth, UK
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This map of global palm tree distribution shows that they do not grow in some subtropical (temperature-wise) climates like the southern tip of South Africa or southwestern Australia.
That map is rubbish, for example Livistona australis grows all the way down to Victoria in Australia & Chamaerops humilis is found throughout Mediterranean Europe.
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Old 11-14-2021, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Seattle WA, USA
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Live Oaks are my go to indicator species in the US South (both natural and cultivated). They can't be grown below 8a.
There are three major live oak species in the southeast and if you overlay them, they match up with the humid subtropical zone pretty well.

Laural Oak


Swamp Laural Oak


Southern Live Oak
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Old 11-14-2021, 02:21 PM
 
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Palm trees aren't required as NY and Philly are subtropical cities (much to the chagrin of some posters here) and aren't exactly "palmy" places. Plenty of deciduous trees are endemic of subtropical climates and those should get as much recognition as palms. You don't really see American sweetgum in the continental regions much, do ya?
Koppen's "Humid subtropical" =/= "Subtropical"... Most temperate climates with summer months above 22 C and coldest months above -3 C don't really feel subtropical the way Los Angeles and Houston do.
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Old 11-14-2021, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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Records don't define a climate... averages do. Record highs for winter where I live are in then 60s, but that doesn't make us non-continental.
The ghosts of a thousand dead coconuts on South Padre Island would like to have a word with you.
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Old 11-15-2021, 07:38 PM
 
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The ghosts of a thousand dead coconuts on South Padre Island would like to have a word with you.
May Asagi have mercy on thy soul.
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Old 11-15-2021, 11:30 PM
 
Location: Katy, Texas
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May Asagi have mercy on thy soul.
You know my og palm tree posts were the best.

Yawnnnn
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Old 11-16-2021, 03:07 PM
 
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You know my og palm tree posts were the best.
True. Hopefully the séance process goes well.
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Old 12-03-2021, 04:24 PM
 
Location: St. Louis Park, MN
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Koppen's "Humid subtropical" =/= "Subtropical"... Most temperate climates with summer months above 22 C and coldest months above -3 C don't really feel subtropical the way Los Angeles and Houston do.
That's a narrow minded way to view climates. Climates are on a scale. I wouldn't say a place like Nashville or Philly is continental at all.

Dallas' climate technically has more in common with Minneapolis' versus Orlando yet its still subtropical.

"Temperate" isn't a climate, it's a description that applies to various climates ranging from London to Tokyo to Madrid to Toronto.
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