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Old 04-19-2012, 12:34 PM
 
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If you are too stupid to sign contracts with razor-thin margins
Conversely you can't get higher margins because no one is willing to pay more for products. Look at the people who shop Walmart as a prime example.
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Old 04-19-2012, 12:35 PM
 
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The job I have is light cleaning--sweeping, mopping, wiping down surfaces, about 15 hours a week. We advertised it as a good job for a retiree or someone who only wanted p/t work like a homemaker with kids in school. The hours were flexible but once they agreed to specific hours, we needed them there during those times or it screws up our production schedule.
How many people applied for the job? What exactly was he "busy" doing? Did you specifically state when you offered him the job that those were his set hours?

I doubt the blame for how it all played out rests solely on the poor old man you tossed to the wayside, as there's two sides to every story.
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Old 04-19-2012, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach, VA
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Conversely you can't get higher margins because no one is willing to pay more for products. Look at the people who shop Walmart as a prime example.
People cant pay more for the products because they have Walmart jobs. The cycle continues.
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Old 04-19-2012, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Jersey
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So I understand the problem with underpaying people who are qualified and work for more money. But some business pay minimum wage. Not every job is worth 15 dollars an hr whether we like it or not. If minimum wage is 15 an hr, then there are bigger problems. It is VERY likely the guy who was offering a job in Wisconsin for 9.50- 10 an hr lives in an area that the cost of living is reasonable and that is a competitive salary for no experience.
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Old 04-19-2012, 12:39 PM
 
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People cant pay more for the products because they have Walmart jobs. The cycle continues.
In other words, a catch-22.

The question is who's going to break the cycle, and will we all go down in flames in the process or refusing to break to cycle.
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Old 04-19-2012, 12:42 PM
 
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So I understand the problem with underpaying people who are qualified and work for more money. But some business pay minimum wage. Not every job is worth 15 dollars an hr whether we like it or not. If minimum wage is 15 an hr, then there are bigger problems. It is VERY likely the guy who was offering a job in Wisconsin for 9.50- 10 an hr lives in an area that the cost of living is reasonable and that is a competitive salary for no experience.
You're absolutely right.

But the problem here is these businesses aren't finding people with 5+ years of experience and bachelor degrees to fill their positions that they're not willing to pay more than minimum wage for.

Until recently, minimum wage jobs were for people with very little education and experience, or in a word, students/children/young adults.
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Old 04-19-2012, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Jersey
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You're absolutely right.

But the problem here is these businesses aren't finding people with 5+ years of experience and bachelor degrees to fill their positions that they're not willing to pay more than minimum wage for.

Until recently, minimum wage jobs were for people with very little education and experience, or in a word, students/children/young adults.
You are right, but people also want to complain that they are only getting 8.5 an hr to answer phones or file paperwork or push a button on a machine or type information. I dont care if you have been answering phones for 20 years, its still not a highly qualified job. When my husband was on unemployment (for 15 months) his unemployment paid him about 11 an hr. We live in NJ and it was 40% of his salary when he was working. But he was looking for a job all the time for any job that offered 11 an hr, because unemployment is a stop gap to going back to work and sometimes you have to work for less than your perceived worth. Especially if we want to have an economic recovery.
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Old 04-19-2012, 12:49 PM
 
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These employers expect subsidies from the applicants' parents or spouses, hoping they live at home and are still insured. They might as well list this in the job description as a requirement.
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Old 04-19-2012, 12:50 PM
 
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How many people applied for the job?
Twenty or so.

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What exactly was he "busy" doing?
He didn't say, we didn't really care. If he had said he was having car troubles, was sick, etc. we get that. But "I'm busy" 15 minutes before he was supposed to be there? Wrong answer.

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Did you specifically state when you offered him the job that those were his set hours?
We told him we needed 15 hours a week but he could set his schedule for those hours split between two or three days (he chose two 7.5 hour days), but once the schedule was set, that was it and if he needed to change it, we needed a week's notice.

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I doubt the blame for how it all played out rests solely on the poor old man you tossed to the wayside, as there's two sides to every story.
The only side that matters is he didn't show for work on his first day without offering a good excuse, so he's fired.
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Old 04-19-2012, 12:51 PM
 
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People cant pay more for the products because they have Walmart jobs. The cycle continues.
Oh BS. There are plenty of people who can pay more, who have good jobs, but still perpetuate the "walmartization" of this country because they are cheap.
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