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Old 12-23-2013, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Back in the Southland
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Perhaps his first job was at Sephora.

If you think his look is negatively affecting your business then most definitely tell him to get rid of the look or tone it down. What I don't understand is that as the owner of the company, you are willing to mull over this to this degree. It takes away valuable time from doing more important things that have far greater affect then some guy wearing make up. You being the owner of your company you probably work by far the hardest and thus should not have this much time to ponder about the affects of makeup.

You feel that this will negatively affect your company, tell him to tone it down. If you think he will try to sue you for discrimination then make it a company policy that you cannot have over the top makeup(affects both men and women equally) and do not single him out or make it seem like he is the cause. If you just have a thing against guys who wear make-up, than I can't help you there.
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Old 12-23-2013, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Connectucut shore but on a hill
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OP....several have asked and you haven't answered..........

Is this young man a good worker? Does he have a good attitude? Do your customers seem to like him?
So so. Attitude is OK, but he does have a rather off affect - a very close-talker and stares too long, doesn't quite know what's appropriate and comfortable eye contact. This is OK with small children. Coworkers (and presumably adult customers) fit it creepy.

Update today 6pm: - as so often happens the problem solved itself. He just quit, he's going overseas for some kind of project. He only worked 2 weeks and didn't disclose he had another application in the works. So that ends it all. Happy holidays all around.
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Old 12-23-2013, 07:11 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in America
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The EEOC would come in if it found the complaint valid enough to pursue. It is easy and free to file a complaint.

The burden is actually on the company to prove it was not discrimination once the EEOC takes up the case, the only thing the employee needs to do is show they are a protected class, and the action against them was based on them being a protected class. That last part is difficult to do for the employee (who really is not being discriminated against) because being terminated is in itself not discrimination.
I didn't say a company wouldn't have to defend themselves against an EEOC complaint. I said it's up to the person suing to prove their case.

And you do NOT need a reason to fire anyone in a Right to Work state!

People can complain all they want. Doesn't mean squat. Often times, it's the worst employees who complain the most and just waste EEOC's and court's time.
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Old 12-23-2013, 07:11 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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So so. Attitude is OK, but he does have a rather off affect - a very close-talker and stares too long, doesn't quite know what's appropriate and comfortable eye contact. This is OK with small children. Coworkers (and presumably adult customers) fit it creepy.

Update today 6pm: - as so often happens the problem solved itself. He just quit, he's going overseas for some kind of project. He only worked 2 weeks and didn't disclose he had another application in the works. So that ends it all. Happy holidays all around.
So glad the problem has solved itself.

From now on, make sure you get final approval of all new hires.
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Old 12-23-2013, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in America
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So so. Attitude is OK, but he does have a rather off affect - a very close-talker and stares too long, doesn't quite know what's appropriate and comfortable eye contact. This is OK with small children. Coworkers (and presumably adult customers) fit it creepy.

Update today 6pm: - as so often happens the problem solved itself. He just quit, he's going overseas for some kind of project. He only worked 2 weeks and didn't disclose he had another application in the works. So that ends it all. Happy holidays all around.
Funny how things work themselves out frequently! In the future, please make sure you have the final say with ALL hiring! It will save you from having to deal with a mess like this in the future. Good luck!
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Old 12-23-2013, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Utica, NY
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All this commotion about someone's appearance. I don't even understand why it would be an issue as it wouldn't affect his ability to do the job.
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Old 12-23-2013, 07:42 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in America
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All this commotion about someone's appearance. I don't even understand why it would be an issue as it wouldn't affect his ability to do the job.
Personal appearance is huge in many industries! Would you want someone looking like a crack ***** high as a kite cashing your paycheck at a bank? Probably not. Most people would like someone who looks professional. Someone who looks like they can count to at least 10 and not look like they're stealing your driver's license number along with your SS# and bank account numbers. There's a reason people who work in banks dress and look a certain way.
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Old 12-23-2013, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in America
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No, not any reason. You can't fire someone for being black, for example.
If one had an issue with any race in particular, why would you them to begin with?
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Old 12-23-2013, 08:34 PM
 
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Personally, I enjoy seeing people's quirks when it is unexpected as long as it doesn't hurt anyone.
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Old 12-23-2013, 10:20 PM
 
Location: South Texas
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If your clientele is so diverse, why are you concerned this will impact your business or reputation?

As a customer, I have expectations of the businesses where I choose to spend money - and that includes their employees.

My expectations of my fellow customers are much different, because I'm not trading with them; they're just other people who happen to be in the same place I am at the same time.
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