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Liberal states and countries keep losing jobs and appear clueless as to why that is so. Jobs are popularity contests to see who can promise the most ... Companies take their jobs to where the company can be successful and continue to provide jobs... wonder why some liberal states seem to be losing.... oh well they may not have jobs but at least they are popular..
Fancy that - the goofball red states that never met a corporate loophole they didn't like or a social safety net they didn't hate are the poorest in the nation. What a shock.
They also have the lowest life expectancy in the nation, probably partly caused by a hatred of social safety nets and a love of letting corporations do anything they wish... I hope you didn't expect the water to be drinkable!
Companies may be flocking there, though that's more caused by the fact that the current oil and gas boom happens to be in red states - but they sure aren't paying people well enough to live above the poverty line based on the data.
On another note: The nation really should be embarrassed that its capital city has the highest poverty rate in the nation if counted as a state. Yeesh... we can do better than that.
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It means nothing is handed to you in the real world. Unless you are super elite (Ivy League, economics, McKinsey types), you need to hustle in this economy. You are showing entitlement if you think someone should give you a job just because you are educated and smart.
So... being educated, smart, experienced, etc. is not "showing hustle?"
What is "hustle" in your eyes? I mean, one definition is running a scam... I guess that counts as "hustling" these days - it's certainly successful for many people - but I'm really tired of worn-out platitudes - "you gotta work at it!" - and other such nonsense that all ignore the fact that a huge majority of the people out of work DID "work at it" and "show hustle" and "get an education" and "get experience" and so on - they did all the crap that was supposed to result in a job. They paid their dues - so where the hell are the results?
But no... let's just keep moving the goalposts deeper into the realm of vague motivational sayings and keep on pretending the problem is not the lack of jobs or the fact that our nation has been sold out in favor of cheap, exploitable labor elsewhere. Sorry, but the people out of work put all the effort into the system that was supposed to pay out with a job. If the jobs are not there, that is not their fault.
Then by this logic your own parents didn't or don't owe you a damn thing, including providing you with food and shelter and a normal upbringing.
These two things have nothing to do with one another. Parents have a legal obligation to take care (or pay someone to take care) of their children until age 18. After that, it's optional.
No one is obligated legally or morally to give you a job just because you are qualified. As someone else mentioned, if there are numerous qualified candidates for a job, the company isn't obligated to give it to all of them, or ANY of them. They give it to the person who is at least minimally qualified, or trainable, and who will be a good fit for their company.
Many companies are unable to find employees because they can't find people interested in doing the work, or trained in the technical skills required, or willing to work for the starting salary. It's not that there are no jobs, just no jobs that YOU want.
As one of those mythical "self-made people" who worked their way up, I can tell you that I get tired of hearing excuses and people blaming the nameless/faceless evil corporations, or "the man", for keeping them down. I have at least 20 adults (age 20-62) in my extended family, most of whom did not attend college beyond 2 years, and all of them are employed and have been since they were 16 years old. Most have not been out of work for more than a couple months in their entire adult lives, even the 2 with intellectual disabilities. Pretty much every one of them have had to work themselves up from literally nowhere to pretty decent salaries so that they can support their families. Yes they are 2 income families, that means both parents were somehow able to find work consistently and hold onto those jobs or find better ones. Some have created jobs themselves by finding a need and filling it. What a concept! So NO, no one owes you a job because you were special enough to graduate from college.
Then by this logic your own parents didn't or don't owe you a damn thing, including providing you with food and shelter and a normal upbringing.
You view employers as parents of some sort? Or maybe shepherds?
Companies make money through the people they employ. If the company doesn't make money it dies, taking all the jobs with it. There is only one reason to hire anyone to do anything - because that person can make the company money, now or later.
The tone of so many in this thread is that companies have lots of money, and it is their patriotic duty to hire someone. That's what the government does. With our money.
Someone will hire you when he is able to make money from your services. You need to understand that.
If you have nothing to offer, it is not his fault.
And when there simply aren't enough jobs to go around in no small part because it's easier to make money from exploiting cheap labor (overseas, illegals, visa workers, etc.) who's fault is that?
As always, the corporation is blameless, and who cares how many must suffer or die to keep their profits up.
And when there simply aren't enough jobs to go around in no small part because it's easier to make money from exploiting cheap labor (overseas, illegals, visa workers, etc.) who's fault is that?
As always, the corporation is blameless, and who cares how many must suffer or die to keep their profits up.
Everyone is free to quit. Don't blame the corporation that the economy s**ks. When there are more people looking for work pay will reflect that, Yet the opposite is true as well. People don't complain when the corporation pays more in a good economy, why's that? Lets keep punishing the corporations and hating on the rich. Then when the business close and jobs move overseas we can cry some more about no jobs. Funny how that works.
Everyone is free to quit. Don't blame the corporation that the economy s**ks. When there are more people looking for work pay will reflect that, Yet the opposite is true as well. People don't complain when the corporation pays more in a good economy, why's that? Lets keep punishing the corporations and hating on the rich. Then when the business close and jobs move overseas we can cry some more about no jobs. Funny how that works.
Okay... so the corporations are not to blame for: the Housing Bubble, The Debt Bubble, the outsourcing of jobs overseas, the insourcing of jobs with illegals and visa workers, or even buying up our government. Right - they are perfectly blameless because "we're free to quit" - which has nothing to do with anything - and because they sometimes give raises when they are doing well... which also has nothing to do with anything. A person's - or organization's - true nature is revealed when times are tough; I'm sure there are bank robbers out there who buy expensive gifts for their kids, but that doesn't make them good people. Now that times are bad, we have record corporate profits and staggering unemployment. The conclusion should be obvious...
So... being educated, smart, experienced, etc. is not "showing hustle?"
What is "hustle" in your eyes? I mean, one definition is running a scam... I guess that counts as "hustling" these days - it's certainly successful for many people - but I'm really tired of worn-out platitudes - "you gotta work at it!" - and other such nonsense that all ignore the fact that a huge majority of the people out of work DID "work at it" and "show hustle" and "get an education" and "get experience" and so on - they did all the crap that was supposed to result in a job. They paid their dues - so where the hell are the results?
But no... let's just keep moving the goalposts deeper into the realm of vague motivational sayings and keep on pretending the problem is not the lack of jobs or the fact that our nation has been sold out in favor of cheap, exploitable labor elsewhere. Sorry, but the people out of work put all the effort into the system that was supposed to pay out with a job. If the jobs are not there, that is not their fault.
The more elite you are, the more likely you will get a good job. Has always been like this in the US. Someone who studied hard to earn high marks on the SAT and GPA to go to a good college (Ivy League and public Ivys) have a better network in college. Once they get their first job in upper class occupations (private equity, venture capital, investment banking) then it is a fast slope to business school and management positions later on.
It's just going to be harder to find a job you want if you went to your local state university and majored in psychology or sociology (areas I love by the way), and got average grades. Then expect the world to hand something to you. What sets apart those with mid-tier backgrounds are the quality and strength of their network.
My mother said a bookkeeper job at her company used to pay $50k in the year 2000. In 2014, that same job pays $37k. The labor market has not been the same since 2000 and the whole dot-com bubble.
Plenty of jobs pay better than my field, finance:
- Materials science at Dupont
- Developer for Google
- Wall Street
- Chemical engineering in the fracking industry
The more elite you are, the more likely you will get a good job. Has always been like this in the US. Someone who studied hard to earn high marks on the SAT and GPA to go to a good college (Ivy League and public Ivys) have a better network in college. Once they get their first job in upper class occupations (private equity, venture capital, investment banking) then it is a fast slope to business school and management positions later on.
It's just going to be harder to find a job you want if you went to your local state university and majored in psychology or sociology (areas I love by the way), and got average grades. Then expect the world to hand something to you. What sets apart those with mid-tier backgrounds is the quality and strength of their network.
Which implies - incorrectly - that those who are out of work are lacking in skills, experience, etc. The same old argument that has been proven incorrect time and again.
I find it amazing that: working hard, getting a good education, and gaining years of solid experience doing a good job in one's field and then expecting a job in return for that is now considered "handing you something." Hilarious and sad both at once.
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Or maybe shepherds?
