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Old 06-15-2014, 04:18 PM
 
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Actually, I did no such thing. If you got that from:
What does the ACA have to do with anything in the OP? Why even mention it?
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Old 06-15-2014, 04:19 PM
 
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And actually, now that I think about it, these employers DO have the freedom to not provide insurance (granted, they wouldn't if they want to remain competitive in retaining good employees).

They'll just pay a fine on their tax bill that will go towards subsidizing those employees on the healthcare exchange and Medicare.
Which is absurd, right? You're shifting the responsibility of healthcare on to employers.... most of which aren't in the healthcare field. You can't fine them for not performing a duty unrelated to their business.
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Old 06-15-2014, 04:21 PM
 
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What does the ACA have to do with anything in the OP? Why even mention it?
Again, your reading comprehension is where you are failing. I was responding to collegeguy35, who brought up the ACA. You might fit better into this conversation if you actually read the thread you are commenting in.

I feel like I'm having a conversation with a five year old. You asked a dozen questions, applied no critical thinking, and then made stuff up to attempt to prove your point. Major fail.
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Old 06-15-2014, 04:25 PM
 
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Which is absurd, right? You're shifting the responsibility of healthcare on to employers.... most of which aren't in the healthcare field. You can't fine them for not performing a duty unrelated to their business.
No one's shifting anything. Just like before the ACA, the responsibility of providing healthcare still belongs to doctors. Nothing absurd about it.

And businesses are only paying a tax fine to the government if they choose not to provide health insurance. That money can be used for anything (the subsidizing of the healthcare exchange and medicare was merely an example).
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Old 06-15-2014, 04:28 PM
 
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I was responding to collegeguy35, who brought up the ACA.
He was the one who first brought it up, but that still doesn't answer my question.

Since you both were discussing it, what does it have to do with the OP?
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Old 06-15-2014, 04:31 PM
 
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Which is absurd, right? You're shifting the responsibility of healthcare on to employers.... most of which aren't in the healthcare field. You can't fine them for not performing a duty unrelated to their business.
Employers took it on themselves over 60 years ago. Employer Health Insurance was a byproduct of wage freezes ordered by government, in an era when we needed more warm bodies in the workforce, due to pent up demand (post WWII) and lack of automation, so the stuff Americans like, was labor intensive to make.

Did 1950 employers forsee ACA requirements?
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Old 06-15-2014, 04:34 PM
 
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No one's shifting anything. Just like before the ACA, the responsibility of providing healthcare still belongs to doctors. Nothing absurd about it.

And businesses are only paying a tax fine to the government if they choose not to provide health insurance. That money can be used for anything (the subsidizing of the healthcare exchange and medicare was merely an example).
A tax fine is absurd because it is putting a burden on businesses. But a similar incentive for employers to provide insurance could be achieved in a much better way. Think about this. If an employer chooses not to provide health insurance, nothing happens. But if they DO decide to provide health insurance, they receive a tax deduction. That way you are not providing additional burden on the business and are still incentivizing them to provide this benefit.
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Old 06-15-2014, 04:36 PM
 
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He was the one who first brought it up, but that still doesn't answer my question.

Since you both were discussing it, what does it have to do with the OP?
Since you are discussing the ACA now and have been for multiple pages, why don't you answer your own question? What does it have to do with the OP?
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Old 06-15-2014, 04:36 PM
 
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A tax fine is absurd because it is putting a burden on businesses. But a similar incentive for employers to provide insurance could be achieved in a much better way. Think about this. If an employer chooses not to provide health insurance, nothing happens. But if they DO decide to provide health insurance, they receive a tax deduction. That way you are not providing additional burden on the business and are still incentivizing them to provide this benefit.
Some employers get that incentive through the ACA now.
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Old 06-15-2014, 04:37 PM
 
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Employers took it on themselves over 60 years ago. Employer Health Insurance was a byproduct of wage freezes ordered by government, in an era when we needed more warm bodies in the workforce, due to pent up demand (post WWII) and lack of automation, so the stuff Americans like, was labor intensive to make.

Did 1950 employers forsee ACA requirements?
Not all employers did. It's incorrect to suggest that all employers participating in providing health insurance to their employees.
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