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View Poll Results: Will we get a raise if the minimum wage goes up?
Yes 15 18.07%
No 68 81.93%
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Old 11-01-2015, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Nebraska
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Rents will increase, grocery prices will go up, prices across the board will go up. Anyone that depends on EXPORTING their product Globally may be priced out of the market. Fixed income folks will be screwed. My 16 year old neighbor mows my lawn for $20. He will probably want $30 to do it in the future.

Stupid idea that will hurt those on the low end of the totem pole more than anyone else.
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Old 11-01-2015, 08:34 AM
 
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Since you're so concerned about minimum wage earners, I ask you, how much, of your own money, have you given to people making minimum wage?
What an insidious question!!!
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Old 11-01-2015, 08:38 AM
 
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Rents will increase, grocery prices will go up, prices across the board will go up. Anyone that depends on EXPORTING their product Globally may be priced out of the market. Fixed income folks will be screwed. My 16 year old neighbor mows my lawn for $20. He will probably want $30 to do it in the future.

Stupid idea that will hurt those on the low end of the totem pole more than anyone else.
I pay $40 per cut.

More money in the hands of citizens rather than in the pockets of the wealthy and Casino Games of corporations has always been progressive for America and the American people.
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Old 11-01-2015, 08:51 AM
 
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Hey this got me curious as well
If Minimum wage is increasing to 15 an hour in 2020
Does that mean we as professionals will get a raise as well?
Like entry level teachers, help desk techs, entry accountant jrs, electricians?
Do we all get a raise or are we all screwed?
Dumbest question ever!!!!

You cannot live here for $8 bucks an hour! These people either get bigger salaries or your taxes will continue to pay for them to live too!!!!

Quit this BS already.
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Old 11-01-2015, 09:04 AM
 
Location: So. of Rosarito, Baja, Mexico
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As for the $15 pay scale that would be for someone with NO special skill other then maybe a High School diploma.
thus a constant change was needed as he told me.
In my line of work before retiring in 1996 I commanded $48 an hr for my expertise.

Any other person with a Specialty knowledge/experience should also qualify for a justifiable wage.

Once had a customer come down to the LA area from SF every two months for a week vacation going to Cabo Mexico.

His line of work was being a Plumber and the work entailed wearing used clothing from the Goodwill as the wet/dirty/sewer smelling took it's toll. How much money does he deserve for his line of work?.......NO $15 an hr that's for sure.

His work theory was that for every week of work he would take one day that added up to a eight day vacation after two months. Cleared the brain of any mental fatigue as he called it.

I onetime climbed under my house checking for a water leak and know of the wet dirty dirt I crawled into.
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Old 11-01-2015, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Scranton
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For those that want a $15/hr minimum wage, why stop at $15? Why not $20 or $30. Heck, let's make it $100/hr and make everyone rich instantly.
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Old 11-01-2015, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Historically, when the minimum wage goes up it takes about 18-24 months for other wages to go up and balance out. The downside is, those higher wages don't go up a matching percentage to what minimum wage goes up (i.e. if minimum wage goes up those making 10% over the previous minimum wage don't see a 10% increase over the new minimum wage, they tend to get about 6%-8%). This has led to the increase of numbers at the lower end of the economic spectrum.

It takes the retail market about 24-36 months to balance out prices for the new wage scale, which leads to minimum wage earners becoming "ghetto rich" (for lack of a better term) for about 2 years. After that, the new minimum wage is once again the minimum wage and minimum wage earners are once again the working poor.

I have to give minimum wage proponents a bit of a pat on the back, for believing that this won't happen "this time" even though history shows that it happens every time. Their misplaced faith in altruism is refreshing, even if it is completely unjustified.

Of course, with the lowering price of technology raising the minimum wage to $15 per hour is more likely to result in companies investing heavily in automation rather than continuing to play the minimum wage game.
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Old 11-01-2015, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Scranton
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How can anyone fight the minimum wage going up to $15 when all we see is over paid executives, and people becoming billionaires on a daily basis and the once millionaires are now with 100's of millions and 10's of billion in private wealth gathering.
I agree that many CEOs make an absurd amount of money. Athletes and actors also make obscene amounts of money, yet somehow no one targets them.

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$15 is the least people should earn, then we will have less people relying on the public assistance after working 40 hrs, No one with one child can make it on $7. an hour, its difficult for a single person to have a decent life on $56 dollars a day when 24-27% tax is taken before they even get their check.
24 - 27% taxes taken out for someone making $7/hr? Now you're BSing me. It is nowhere close to even 15% and, at $7/hr, they'll get ALL of that back plus more through the Earned Income Tax Credit.
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Old 11-01-2015, 11:47 AM
 
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Rents will increase, grocery prices will go up, prices across the board will go up. Anyone that depends on EXPORTING their product Globally may be priced out of the market. Fixed income folks will be screwed. My 16 year old neighbor mows my lawn for $20. He will probably want $30 to do it in the future.

Stupid idea that will hurt those on the low end of the totem pole more than anyone else.
yes they go up... skill level should go up in time as well... so people charge more for increased skills...
its why i pay $40 for a professional mower, because they trim and clean up, cut back bushes, vs the kid next door for $20 when they "just" mow...

thats my issue with increasing minimum wage because they havent increased the skills to go with it
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Old 11-01-2015, 02:42 PM
 
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$15 x 8 hr = $120
Subtract Federal Tax
Subtract State Tax
Subtract Social Security and Medicare
Subtract Co Payment for Insurance
Subtract actual sales tax on what is left
Subtract fuel tax on gasoline purchased
Subtract Tax on Utilities

Now look at what's left - THEN

divide your rent by 30 and see what it cost you per day to live in your residence
look at your gas and elect bill and see what it cost you per day
look at your weekly food expense and divide it by 7 to get your daily cost (then multiply that time 52 to get a year cost)
look at your personal hygiene needs and self maintenance products and services - add up the daily cost, by dividing your monthly expense by 30.
look at your communication expense (yes, its valid in the age of cell phones and internet, one needs communication accessibility) divide that expense by 30 and get your daily cost.
If you have child care divide your weekly expense by 7 and get your daily cost
If you have a car payment, divide it by 30 and get your daily cost.
If you have car insurance divide it by 30 and get your daily cost
If you buy fuel for a vehicle, add up your monthly cost and divide it by 30 and get your daily cost.
Don't forget to add in the cost of life insurance, add up your monthly cost and divide it by 30 and get your daily cost.
Don't forget to add in the cost for Burial Insurance, add up your monthly cost and divide it by 30 and get your daily cost.

One will find very quickly that, $15 an hour is the basic minimum they will need to have a life and sustain it.
Now if you have children - Add in the cost incurred monthly for 1 child, 2, or more.

One will quickly find that $56-58 a day is not even near meeting needs. then they can understand why so many need public assistance. The employer is the one screwing the public, by using the people and paying them less that what it cost to maintain and sustain themselves, and then the employer depends on the government to provide public services to cover what he has not paid the employee enough to cover. Example: Walmart has done it for decades and made billions, while they force people to rely on government assistance, at the same time walmart is pocketing money that should be paid to the employee, and all walmart does is build stores near business to run the other entrepreneurs out of business. Walmart has hid $76 billion off shore, over the years, its probably close to what Walmart owes the US government for covering expense for employee that walmart did not pay them enough to cover.
but the bigots, don't think this deeply, they just want to complain and put others down as their delusion of assuming it makes them better than another.


Those complaining about people needing $15 an hour should have their head examined, and get over the lust for trying to turn people into indentured servants or forcing people to live in conditions as near to slaves as possible.

All these people talking about skills, should shut up. Most jobs are designed for common sense performance, decades ago jobs were designed for 5th and 6th grade education level, management was not even designed for above 10th grade education levels. and even today, many people claim degrees, but have minimal skills. I've seen some of the worst non formatted and poorly formatted documents produced by people claiming degrees. It's purely insidious.

Today, jobs have guidelines for how they want a job done, and they put it in simple language, that is not above 10th grade comprehension level. Even the Tech companies, were seeking more self taught people, who had not be twisted with university string along and drag out programs which leave the person with nothing more than entry level skills levels. Those who specialize and invest their time to become proficient are the ones who excel, but it does not even take that to get a degree now days, it simply takes follow the scrip and show up.

For those complaining, let them go work at a fast food place and ACTUALLY DO THE WORK, and see if they still want to complain about not being paid $15 hr.

It's pathetic how some come and flip their lips by typing in a blog script and only result to exhibit their haughtiness and bigoted mentalities and ready to deny someone else something.

There are those who want to come talking about crap from 30-40 yrs ago. as if the world has not changed, and they talk as if inflation does not exist. That's the level of imbeciles who come to these post whining about wanting to deny people a functional living wage. They should stop grandstanding and pay attention, and learn to respect other people and the conditions and challenges within life and living.
But some still think in Antebellum Confederate terms... they can't get over their lust for the days and times of slavery and segregation where they could use people for nothing, or hire poor whites for pennies while they wallow in luxury at the expense of the poor whites who worked for indentured level servant wages.

MLK said it best:
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"it was a simple thing to keep the poor white masses working for near-starvation wages in the years that followed the Civil War. Why, if the poor white plantation or mill worker became dissatisfied with his low wages, the plantation or mill owner would merely threaten to fire him and hire former Negro slaves and pay him even less. Thus, the southern wage level was kept almost unbearably low."
Too many people still think in these terms, especially those who fight against raising the minimum wage, Some of them are the same ones who complain about Illegal Immigration, but they have no problem, hiring the illegal immigrant, and telling the American worker who complains about his wage, that he can be fired, and replaced with illegal immigrants for 1/4 the rate. It's a repeat of the exact thing MLK tried to tell people long ago, only now, instead of using ex slaves as a threat, they use the hiring of Illegal Immigrants as a threat.

You want fair wages, then FORCE the politicians to establish Immigration Reforms, so the Immigrants as they process to become legal, also become paid the wages as they complete the process. Then, companies large and small can't use the Illegals Immigrants to force wages to be low.

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