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Old 02-11-2016, 11:59 AM
 
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This is a major reason I'm voting for Bernie Sanders. He is the only candidate who's demonstrated any interest in protecting Americans' jobs.

No he's not. Trump has as well. It's a big reason he wants to limit illegal immigration and H1B programs. Sanders also supports open borders and amnesty which will further drive down wages for American workers. You can argue over whose ideas would be more effective but you can't argue that Sanders is the only one seriously addressing the problem.
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Old 02-11-2016, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Richmond VA
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Where are you seeing these immigrants at work? I live in a city with a high immigrant population. They do manual labor (construction, groundskeeping) or janitorial work or work for Walmart. They don't work in fast food, they don't fix my car, they don't work at the regular grocery stores. With the exception of the medical field, and IT, They certainly aren't doing higher end work that requires a degree.

If you took the immigrants out of IT and the hospitals, they would cease to function. There just aren't enough native americans willing to do the work.

If you don't want immigrants to work in the USA, don't patronize businesses that hire them.
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Old 02-11-2016, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Seems like this would be better if it were in the Politics forum.
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Old 02-11-2016, 12:27 PM
 
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If you took the immigrants out of IT and the hospitals, they would cease to function. There just aren't enough native americans willing to do the work.

If you don't want immigrants to work in the USA, don't patronize businesses that hire them.
This is absolute regurgitated corporate bullcrap.

"No native Americans willing"

In IT? Are you kidding?

You obviously do not work in IT, or are one of the big bosses.

I was a senior developer at an IT firm and we had plenty of Americans applying for IT jobs.
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Old 02-11-2016, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Backwoods of Maine
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This is a major reason I'm voting for Bernie Sanders. He is the only candidate who's demonstrated any interest in protecting Americans' jobs.
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No he's not. Trump has as well. It's a big reason he wants to limit illegal immigration and H1B programs.
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If you don't want immigrants to work in the USA, don't patronize businesses that hire them.
Exactly right, Stagemomma!

Both red and blue pols have blood on their hands with this one. Voting won't change this! We The People are the only ones who can change this. Vote with your wallet, and with your feet. Your ballot is impotent.
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Old 02-11-2016, 12:33 PM
 
Location: North Texas
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Seems like this would be better if it were in the Politics forum.
I agree; this is a political issue.
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Old 02-11-2016, 12:48 PM
 
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Exactly right, Stagemomma!

Both red and blue pols have blood on their hands with this one. Voting won't change this! We The People are the only ones who can change this. Vote with your wallet, and with your feet. Your ballot is impotent.

This makes no sense. Stagemomma even sites hospitals as one of the(few in her estimation) places where immigrants dominate. Are she and you suggesting we stop going to hospitals? Is this a polite way of telling us to just go and die?


For my part I don't knowingly patronize places that are dominated by foreign workers. Where I live that would only be restaurants that specialize in foreign food, and I don't like most kinds of foreign food. I will admit I do not know the citizen status of the workers in the IT departments of businesses I deal with in my day to day life.
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Old 02-11-2016, 01:03 PM
 
Location: NYC
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Where are you seeing these immigrants at work? I live in a city with a high immigrant population. They do manual labor (construction, groundskeeping) or janitorial work or work for Walmart. They don't work in fast food, they don't fix my car, they don't work at the regular grocery stores. With the exception of the medical field, and IT, They certainly aren't doing higher end work that requires a degree.

If you took the immigrants out of IT and the hospitals, they would cease to function. There just aren't enough native americans willing to do the work.

If you don't want immigrants to work in the USA, don't patronize businesses that hire them.
When they day comes that these immigrants replace blue collar workers abroad, then the country will have riots. Companies don't dare to eliminate non-skilled labor yet because it would cause chaos and discontent with the largest % of the population and riots happen. The reason the govt pay out food stamps and welfare checks is to keep the less fortunate away from crime.

For high skill work, a typical college educated financial analyst, bio-med engineer, or IT worker could be making from $60k-200k and now they are being replaced by immigrant worker making only 1/4 of that. You probably don't care but these are the people who are working in payroll or the bank making sure your loans are processed or credit card bills are calculated correctly or the medicine the company is making is safe and meets standards.

What I've seen is tons of job centers are bringing in hundreds and thousands of immigrant worker on work visas to perform office work. Usually these job sites are offsite and not connected to the main corporate HQ and located at some hub nearby transportation to make it easier immigrants to come by plane and get here.
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Old 02-11-2016, 01:07 PM
 
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Yup.

My department is 80% foreigners, mainly from India with a few token foreigners from other countries and a handful of token Americans. Even our business analysts are mainly foreigners. Our QA department is 100% foreign.

Our IT department is also about 80%
Do foreign workers get payed less then? What's the point.
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Old 02-11-2016, 01:31 PM
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Location: Florida
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The company has to post the salary offered to H1Bs. Based on the postings I've seen, yes, the compensation is lower than how much a similarly qualified American would demand. Not by a humongous amount, but a significant percentage less.
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