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Old 09-18-2016, 05:24 PM
 
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You hire the most competent and qualified for the position. (Something companies aren't doing today) and put personal friendships or Relationships with relatives to the side. Its not that difficult.
No one is more qualified than the son/daughter of a president/founder of a company. They have been in the business since the beginning
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Old 09-18-2016, 06:02 PM
 
Location: Planet Telex
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Nepotism is a double edged sword. You have the extreme of the owners children coming in to run the company and having no idea what to do, but have the big office with big paycheck.
Yes, its crazy just how often things go amuck once the old man dies! Happened to my father when he was a machinist. Worked at two companies where the old man croaks and the son/daughter take over, despite having no idea how to properly run a business. Couple years later, out of business they go.
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Old 09-19-2016, 06:31 AM
 
Location: TN/NC
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At my last job, my manager got his daughter on in a department I frequently supported. I'm in IT, and she always needed help. It always made me nervous that she could be dissatisfied or irritated for whatever reason, bring it to dad, then I'm done.
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Old 09-20-2016, 01:46 PM
 
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I think all hires should be done randomly as long person qualifies for job! like a lottery
Using a lottery to decide who gets the job, would be the fastest possible way to drive a lot of businesses out of business. When you are hiring, you want to hire the best person for the job, and if that person is your son/daughter who you want to take over the company some day, then that is the best person for the job. It gives you time to train them, to assume the top job.

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it is totally unfair to other candidates. fair chance if all had equal chance at getting a job.
The goal when hiring is not to give everyone an equal chance at getting the job. The goal is to hire the person that you feel will be the best person for the job. Again to give everyone an equal chance at getting the job, would be something like a lottery, as the majority of applicants will not in any way be qualified for the job.

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To answer your question, yes. Nepotism should be made illegal as the most qualified candidates aren't getting a fair shot just because the hiring manager has some crony, buddy, relative they want for the position. There no "equal opportunity" there sorry
When someone hires a friend, buddy, relative for a position, a manager has to make the decision as to the qualifications of such people and must decide if it is the best decision. Sometimes it proves to be a bad decision, but the same thing occurs when you hire only strangers.

And then there is no such thing as equal opportunity for all applicants when you are looking for a new employee. Some applicants would not be worth hiring to sweep out the building, let alone take on a responsible job. But a very few will be truly qualified, and then you try to pick the best of those few.

Having a lottery to pick employees, would be similar to putting all the names of the single woman in your area in a hat, and you reach in and pull the name of one of them to meet at your wedding, and you marry her. You may get a perfect gem of a wife, or you may get one that would have you swearing off women for life, and your having to flee the country to get away from her as soon as the wedding was over. A lottery to pick a spouse, or a lottery to select employees, would both be about as stupid a thing to do as it is possible to do.
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Old 09-20-2016, 02:05 PM
 
Location: broke leftist craphole Illizuela
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Using a lottery to decide who gets the job, would be the fastest possible way to drive a lot of businesses out of business. When you are hiring, you want to hire the best person for the job, and if that person is your son/daughter who you want to take over the company some day, then that is the best person for the job. It gives you time to train them, to assume the top job.



The goal when hiring is not to give everyone an equal chance at getting the job. The goal is to hire the person that you feel will be the best person for the job.
A lottery would be better than the circus of BS and nonsense currently used by HR and their woefully defective software ATS and quack psychometric tests.

You can't get the best person for the job by only allowing a very minute subset of the labor force to compete for it based on who they know.

The current system of nepotism is nothing but a form of corruption by management. If if it is the owners and a privately held company and they are fine with losing money by hiring their family instead of the best worker than oh well. If it is a manager who's job it is to maximize their departments efficiency and potential then they are not doing their job.
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Old 09-21-2016, 02:40 PM
 
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And I think when a person starts his own company it should be his prerogative to hire the persons he chooses to hire. We are not a communist country where the government has any business controlling what private enterprise does. If you don't like what the other company management does, start your own business and do what you think is right with it.
Or move to a communist country. In reality most peoples lives would likely slightly improve because most people are not able to drive mercadies or live in mcmansions now in the USA anyways. You of course have to pick the right communist/socialist country for your situation.


The issue is its really really hard to get into these countries (outside of the straw man arguments of just go to north korea). Getting into places like Switzerland, Sweden, Norway etc are really really difficult.


In a communist/socialist country you will never get rich or be able to start your own company very easily but if you have not made it in the USA by age 30 your probably better off in socialism. You will have job security and health care and not have to worry about extreme poverty or income instability like you do in the USA.
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Old 09-21-2016, 02:47 PM
 
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Nepotism is one of the great pillars of America. It is as patriotic and noble as mom's apple pie. It signifies that Private Business will be free from arbitrary government regulations and signals that we are truly a free nation. If you make nepotism illegal, next thing you will see is government telling you what job you will do. It's not you choice to be an accountant, doctor, engineer, chef, or machinist; if government says you are to be a toilet cleaner, that/s what you will be. Is this really how simple american employees see things? If so, I weep for our future.
This is really the only down side I see to socialism but is a bennifit to an American trying to become a socialist who already has an established professional resume. If you are born in a socialist country I loath being told what job I am going to do but at the same time it may eliminate everyone and their mom having a "degree" so that people who should be janitors are janitors instead of the market being saturated with "degree holders". But then again I would not want to be one of the ones told that I am going to be a janitor so its a real catch 22.


But outside of this one down side socialism is far better than capitalism. If you fail in capitalism you can literally die or have your entire life wrecked. I think we will eventually be socialist because there are too many people experiencing the negative sides of capitalism and a very small minority who are making it big. Also what we have now is not true capitalism it is crony capitalism and you can buy favor with the govt to give your own company a huge advantage. The labor pool is also bigger than it has ever been so human beings have become a high supply low demand commodity which breed exploitation without govt protection. We treat people like any other commoditiy in the USA and callously apply cold supply and demand metrics to people ... people who vote.


This worked out ok when the supply of labor was low so people could actually truly be free but now the average joe is not free because economic freedom is a key part of over all freedom and if there is not a plethora of good jobs to be had without toiling for months or a year and moving to timbucktoo to find a new job then its not true freedom for everyone.
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Old 09-21-2016, 05:27 PM
 
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Some of the best advice I ever received in my life was on one of my first jobs.

The guy told me, "Be careful what you say, these sumbitches are all related". (I still don't know how he knew I wasn't related to them...LOL)

Anyway, I followed his advice throughout my working life. If I didn't KNOW, for sure, that a person was NOT a member of the "family"....I limited my non-work conversations with co-workers to the weather.
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Old 09-22-2016, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Yes. I manage a country branch for a family owned business. Owner's very young son just recently placed as my boss. So I have to train him in everything I have been doing the previous few years. To include conversational business english. No hard feelings. They want to keep it in the family and groom him for when the father retires. The idea placing him with me as opposed to the home office is there will be none of that latent deference because he is the owner's son which was the recent experience.

In some ways it makes me more valuable long term although short term promotion is stymied. He will go back home in a few years leaving the spot open and hopefully with an appreciation of what I do.

In a previous job the owner employed his step-son who was a delinquent. Arguing with everyone. I would have none of that. Eventually we had a fist fight. I was fired. Went to work for the competition. A good career move as it led to more promotion, paid MBA, etc.

Previous to that it was a family owned business which was incredibly top notch. They were so good they were outselling their MNC competitor with 1/4 of the staff. Everyone super bright and positive. Great Experience. The son and daughter held important positions. Good people.

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Old 09-22-2016, 07:44 AM
 
Location: Cincinnati near
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Nepotism-restricting laws make sense for organizations like police departments. The job of the police department is to serve the community, not the chief's family.

On the other hand, the whole point of a family business is to support the family owners, so nepotism makes perfect sense.
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