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Old 06-20-2016, 07:43 PM
 
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Trollish thread and I took the bite to reply. lol

I think the OP must be a recent high schooler at most or just new to the working world. One thing you learn not to do as you go through life is look in other people's pockets. It does not help you improve yourself with work when you constantly compare yourself to others.
last time i was in school, ford was president...


Actually, I look at other people position with in a company and out in public. Wonder were Did i go wrong, Did i choose the wrong profession? Was they born with a silver spoon and never really earn their way in life. List goes on. Got to ask yourself, see a 18 yo kid driving a 2016 vet. You know for a fact it was given to them by a parent, noway they can afford the insurances much less the monthly payments. So what did they do in life to earn such a nice toy, while were all driving a pinto sorta speak.. Just things like that makes one ponder..
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Old 06-20-2016, 08:39 PM
 
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No and yes..

If their business is thriving and not going broke, bills are being paid etc.. The owner whom ever it may be is banking say 2 million a year after everything is said and done. Taxes paid, business expenses are paid, people are paid. He put 2 mill in his bank. Now the owner has a house or two that be is spending his hard earn money on, and wants another house as the 2 he has isnt enough. He wants one for his third vacation. So in order for this to happen, he wants to A: Increase retail, or B: Lose payroll. The best thing that person can do is, go with C: skip the idea of the 3rd house and invest in payroll/ employees to make them happy, and not survive on welfare. When your boss/owner is buying personal things that you the employee can only dream about, you ask yourself, what did i do wrong..
I really don't think you understand how the business world works, this isn't communism or socialism, it's capitalism, you work hard, you make money, you get to keep most of it. And you certainly get to spend it how you want.

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Right, and i respect that choice. It is hard for some to move on due to lack of other employment in the area. If you live in a rural area, than your pretty stuck with what is their.. Good luck on trying to move out. Jus witness many times that the owner goes out makes huge purchases, while laying off people to finance his wants , not needs. Not fair for the employee to be honest. To some employers, we are just numbers and a consumable that can be replace with a monkey if they had a choice. But do you ask yourself, I am working x hours a week, what do I have to show for it, and is it benefiting me more or the boss?
Life isn't fair. Comparison is the Thief of Joy, stop being downright jealous of everyone who has "more" than you and focus on yourself.

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Well if i fail, i can say i tried. I am going into network security and have the clients that I be doing business for. At the moment they are in a contract with another firm, so I will have to wait it out till then. This allows me to do more personal training and make sure the market demand is their were i currently live. If you plan this right, it will allow me more time to spend with family, and work on personal matters. I have a business plan in place.. just waiting for the moment to step in and take over. Till then, working for the man for crappy pay, knowing that he can fork over another 4k a year in pay. Instead he wants to fork over 10k for a smoker for his summer house, country club. He knows not to ask more out of me for the pay i am getting. If you want more work, than better pay for it..
You really don't seem to understand how the business world works. If your boss wants more work from you, he doesn't have to offer you better pay for it, you're mostly disposable to him. Easier to hire someone new, for less money than to give you a raise.
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last time i was in school, ford was president...


Actually, I look at other people position with in a company and out in public. Wonder were Did i go wrong, Did i choose the wrong profession? Was they born with a silver spoon and never really earn their way in life. List goes on. Got to ask yourself, see a 18 yo kid driving a 2016 vet. You know for a fact it was given to them by a parent, noway they can afford the insurances much less the monthly payments. So what did they do in life to earn such a nice toy, while were all driving a pinto sorta speak.. Just things like that makes one ponder..
You don't know that it was "given", yes there are plenty of wealthy parents who give their kids whatever they want. But there are also wealthy parents who have strict standards their child has to meet.

For example: in high school I never had a part time or after school job, my parents were willing to cover all of my expenses, car etc... So that I could focus on my grades and extracurricular activities. However, there were rules, the main one being I had to maintain a specific GPA or I had to get a job.

The world doesn't owe you anything, you need to go out and make it happen. There is no substitute for hard work.

I'm in the process of starting my own private practice while still working my full-time 40 hour day job. It's a ton of hard work and dedication on my part to get to where I am, it's long days, but it will be worth it to be my own boss eventually.

Hard work pays off.
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Old 06-20-2016, 09:36 PM
 
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I really don't think you understand how the business world works, this isn't communism or socialism, it's capitalism, you work hard, you make money, you get to keep most of it. And you certainly get to spend it how you want.



Life isn't fair. Comparison is the Thief of Joy, stop being downright jealous of everyone who has "more" than you and focus on yourself.



You really don't seem to understand how the business world works. If your boss wants more work from you, he doesn't have to offer you better pay for it, you're mostly disposable to him. Easier to hire someone new, for less money than to give you a raise.


You don't know that it was "given", yes there are plenty of wealthy parents who give their kids whatever they want. But there are also wealthy parents who have strict standards their child has to meet.

For example: in high school I never had a part time or after school job, my parents were willing to cover all of my expenses, car etc... So that I could focus on my grades and extracurricular activities. However, there were rules, the main one being I had to maintain a specific GPA or I had to get a job.

The world doesn't owe you anything, you need to go out and make it happen. There is no substitute for hard work.

I'm in the process of starting my own private practice while still working my full-time 40 hour day job. It's a ton of hard work and dedication on my part to get to where I am, it's long days, but it will be worth it to be my own boss eventually.

Hard work pays off.
Right, hard work does pay off and i respect those that do. I respect your thoughts and my response is on your last statement. Your parents made sure you EARNED your way through life with out given to you on a silver platter. They set rules and you obey them, now days we see the exact opposite. I am all for making my own dreams and working hard, but i have standards that i keep to myself, just like you have standards that you have. Image is everything to people now days, and i admit i catch myself looking at what I have vs what I could have had if i chosen the right profession or was born into money. What I dont like is seeing is kid not earning their joy rides, more disrespected young rich kids think that mommy and daddy will support them all their life. O i have a trust fund so i get to do what ever i want attitude. Those people i despise and at times makes you want to get a sock full of dimes and go on a baseball home run contest on their heads. I wish you well on your practice and hope it does well.
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Old 06-20-2016, 09:50 PM
 
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Right, hard work does pay off and i respect those that do. I respect your thoughts and my response is on your last statement. Your parents made sure you EARNED your way through life with out given to you on a silver platter. They set rules and you obey them, now days we see the exact opposite. I am all for making my own dreams and working hard, but i have standards that i keep to myself, just like you have standards that you have. Image is everything to people now days, and i admit i catch myself looking at what I have vs what I could have had if i chosen the right profession or was born into money. What I dont like is seeing is kid not earning their joy rides, more disrespected young rich kids think that mommy and daddy will support them all their life. O i have a trust fund so i get to do what ever i want attitude. Those people i despise and at times makes you want to get a sock full of dimes and go on a baseball home run contest on their heads. I wish you well on your practice and hope it does well.
Just fyi, even joking about violence here undercuts everything else you have to say and cheapens you.
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Old 06-20-2016, 10:14 PM
 
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Well if i fail, i can say i tried. I am going into network security and have the clients that I be doing business for. At the moment they are in a contract with another firm, so I will have to wait it out till then. This allows me to do more personal training and make sure the market demand is their were i currently live. If you plan this right, it will allow me more time to spend with family, and work on personal matters. I have a business plan in place.. just waiting for the moment to step in and take over. Till then, working for the man for crappy pay, knowing that he can fork over another 4k a year in pay. Instead he wants to fork over 10k for a smoker for his summer house, country club. He knows not to ask more out of me for the pay i am getting. If you want more work, than better pay for it..
You still appear to be very confused about how owning a business goes.
He is entitled to spend his money as he chooses, as are you.
You are easily replaced so if he tells you to produce more and you do not it is no loss to him to find someone who will produce more for less pay.
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Old 06-20-2016, 11:24 PM
 
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I got my graduate degree in something completely different than I do now. It was born from counseling (the anxiety and anorexia behaviors I dealt with using the degree) others as well as my food allergy son.
I have invested my entire life and my brother's to fulfill this passion of mine...which is to help protect food allergy kids at school safe. I went the distance..contacted CEOs of all big box retailers and will be in four within the year. Already set up as a supplier. It was a great idea and perfect timing...but most of all it was my passion and story that made me successful. Never taking no for an answer, even from a CEO and now my product will be in a pilot states' stores. If you like to work your but off all day everyday, worry, become elated, disappointed, dole at tons of money, learn the entire logistics of supply change management and software/data exchange, transportation, packaging, manufacturing, invoicing and purchase orders in a week... that comes with it then go for it. It isn't easy but having powerful people tell you your product is way ahead of the pack cements my first idea...keeping kids like my son safer during school hours is important! Plus I am a single mom 100% owned business woman...they like that. Don't be envious if you feel that way...voted for Bernie?-lol!
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Old 06-21-2016, 12:40 AM
 
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Right, hard work does pay off and i respect those that do. I respect your thoughts and my response is on your last statement. Your parents made sure you EARNED your way through life with out given to you on a silver platter. They set rules and you obey them, now days we see the exact opposite. I am all for making my own dreams and working hard, but i have standards that i keep to myself, just like you have standards that you have. Image is everything to people now days, and i admit i catch myself looking at what I have vs what I could have had if i chosen the right profession or was born into money. What I dont like is seeing is kid not earning their joy rides, more disrespected young rich kids think that mommy and daddy will support them all their life. O i have a trust fund so i get to do what ever i want attitude. Those people i despise and at times makes you want to get a sock full of dimes and go on a baseball home run contest on their heads. I wish you well on your practice and hope it does well.
Hating people who have what you desire will never bring you happiness. Making statements about wanting to assault someone who has done nothing to you does not help your image.
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Old 06-21-2016, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Back the train up their buddy.. I would really love to have my own business and were I am currently, the competition is so strong, I wont make it 30 days in. Bank loan was denied soon as they found that I didnt apply for a LLC prior to my application. I was trying to get a loan, while my LLC application was being process. Cart before the horse... so my fault. Like i said earlier, paperwork is what kill the deal. I have it approved now and can start the process again if I really want too. Market conditions were i live at is very competitive and I would be killed before i get started. Found great locations, but not in my budget for the huge lease they want. Who knew starting this thread would bring out the business owner in defense. There will be a time to defend business, the owner, and comes a time to defend the worker as well. 2 way street.
You seem to be full of excuses, OP.

I want to have my own business, too. Guess what, I'm doing things in the order I need to do them to get a loan. If that means I have to do something over again for it to go through, oh well, that's what I'll do.

And, guess what, if my business is successful, you can bet your ass I'll spend the money I earn however I want to. I'm not going to pay way over market wages just because. That makes zero sense. There's nothing stopping anyone from doing what I've done or having what I have. I went to school, got a job in a field I hate just to make money, and I saved, saved, saved to have the down payment for this business. My husband and I postponed having children until we were financially stable, we drive used cars, we do all our own home maintenance (which means we've learned how to do plumbing, electrical, flooring, etc.), maintain our yard, fix our cars ourselves, etc. Anyone else is welcome to do the same.
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Old 06-21-2016, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Chicago area
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[quote=poormanboots;44472157]Just a simple thought.. I am all for helping myself out by going back to school and gain another skill set or degree. But not everybody has the ability to start or run their own business. Most business doesnt make it past their first year, but those that do can really help their fellow members out. Take a look a banks and big fortun 500s including wal-mart. The owners and excts are living in mansions, while they pay their employees nickels and dime and tell them to apply for food stamps. How can one survive to try and make their own business when they cant make ends meet from their employer.

Yes I know Employers sacrifice alot of things to help their business out, but once it is making money and thriving, do you think its wise to invest in their employees as well?




Ah no. I'm not going to bust buns to get ahead only to give it to someone else.

It would be like me giving our tenants money to live in our property. No and way.

I made mine through hard work, you go make yours the same way.

If you're not smart enough or motivated enough then that is neither my fault nor my responsibility.
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Old 06-21-2016, 11:17 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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This thread made me think of this song:



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