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Old 10-31-2018, 03:28 PM
 
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WHAT TO DO IF YOU SUSPECT AN EMPLOYEE HAS AN ALCOHOL PROBLEM
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Old 10-31-2018, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Southern MN
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Use the medical chart ABC method. Besides the time and date document

A for appearance

B for behavior

C for conversation

Only the facts, Ma'am. They are to be interpreted by the highest in the chain of command.
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Old 10-31-2018, 03:41 PM
 
Location: NW San Antonio
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First, read up on your company's policy. Then follow that. You can report suspicion to HR, or your supervisor, but if it's not your position to do anything, then don't. Know before you Blow (it) You dont confront the employee(s) Even with witnesses, unless they have documented proof, which is really a blood or breath test. Even seeing someone with a bottle in their hands and drinking can be twisted to, "it was a prank, it really had KoolAid in it" type. Breath, nope, some people have bad breath, drank the night before and didn't get it out of their system enough. If you're not the person that administers drug tests, then just report it up, of your "Suspicions" nothing more unless it affects this person's performance and the safety of others.
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Old 10-31-2018, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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Exactly. This is what I would focus on - performance.
Nice in theory, but there are so many ways an incapacitated or intoxicated employee can call down the rain of destruction it's not something that can be tolerated. Knowing the employee (with a perfect record, even) was lit frequently on company/work time will not be overlooked when they back a forklift over someone or post someone's personnel file on the open intranet. Will not be overlooked by law enforcement/regulatory investigators; will not be overlooked by insurance.

You cannot tolerate a known employee under the influence no matter how good their work record is.
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Old 10-31-2018, 04:52 PM
 
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The OP never said the person was under the influence; he said they had alcohol on their breath. You absolutely can not ignore intoxication.
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Old 10-31-2018, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Don't most companies today have random pee tests? That should help solve your problem.

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Old 10-31-2018, 06:40 PM
 
Location: Kalamalka Lake, B.C.
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Actually, I'd approach this from the other end of the cow: You state you've inherited a dipsy bunch of slough offs, with a friend in there as a wrench. You have and are putting in the extra hours to bring things up to speed. I'd work on the one or two on the team that seem to be pulling their weight. You may be surprised by what you find out.

I'd then enquire upstairs as to the performance level of the team and (hint, hint) the whys of why you were hired. Was there a "problem"??? hint/hint/ Upstairs might figure out you're not going to be putting in 12 hours days for free for too long.

Yes, I'd start an infor. file. You mean there ISN'T one now? All the more reason to ask upstairs, gently, what has been going on. hint/hint
fyi If this crap keeps up you're not going to be there very long any way. !!!
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Old 10-31-2018, 11:02 PM
 
Location: Panama City, FL
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To the silly answers from those who didn't read my post thoroughly, or who aren't answering the q, I'll just let it lie. Thank you to the others. All I asked about was documentation.

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Use the medical chart ABC method. Besides the time and date document

A for appearance

B for behavior

C for conversation

Only the facts, Ma'am. They are to be interpreted by the highest in the chain of command.
Thank you for answering my question. This is what I'm doing. The smell was confirmed by another manager last wk & a senior employee today. One employee let it slip today that they take liquor store trips.

I'm good from here on out, thank you.
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Old 10-31-2018, 11:13 PM
 
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Does the company do drug and alcohol testing of employees? Check with HR and see if this can be done for your group. Say you want to do this to ensure the safety and quality of the work.

Do not wait until there is a serious problem, because there is going to be one.

Those who fail the tests according to company policy can be recommended for substance abuse treatment or terminated. But you need to having the backing of your management to take this action.
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Old 11-01-2018, 03:16 AM
 
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Keeping the response limited to documentation as requested, use your company email to send yourself a message on that same account. Document your factual observations, time of break, duration of break, any apparent change in appearance, odor, or behavior, including no apparent change.

This will create a log documenting severity and frequency, and can easily create a comprehensive file for HR to act upon.

Expanding the response for the benefit of other readers who may be new managers, if your labor budget allows for it, hire a person or two now and start training them. Reduce the hours of your current staff if possible to allow for this. That will give you the bench strength to deal with a group walkout, which may be the best long term solution.
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