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Old 02-09-2019, 12:26 PM
 
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It would not be appropriate to ask them. You should have more of an understanding of what the role is and how it impacts the company...
To what end? Even if it makes perfect sense how they are operating the company, that is no excuse to accept a part-time 1099 job without any benefits when they clearly didn't think highly enough of the OP to offer full-time employment and selected someone else. And it isn't even regular work. The company is only doing this for their benefit, not the OP's benefit. But in typical C-D fashion, some people bend over backwards to make everything work out best for the employer while taking it on the chin.
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Old 02-09-2019, 12:35 PM
 
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You can't and frankly it is none of your business. Don't worry about the employer's issues, think of your own. You are contemplating leaving a full-time job for part-time work without any benefits, that's a huge red flag.
I wasn’t going to leave my full time job to do this. I would stick it out at my current job and still look for other full tome roles and I might try this out during my free times and see how the work is and how they operate. If a full time job comes out of it and I like it..great I’ll join them. If not or it’s too much work for part time or I don’t like how they operate, so be it. I quit and I still have a full time job.
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Old 02-09-2019, 02:42 PM
 
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So with any extra, you can feed the same individual retirement plans you can while W-2 employed.
This is not true. With all the extra money, you can actually max out a 401k to the limit. You can't do that with a W2 job. This is good for people who want to put extra money away.
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Old 02-09-2019, 02:43 PM
 
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You can't and frankly it is none of your business. Don't worry about the employer's issues, think of your own. You are contemplating leaving a full-time job for part-time work without any benefits, that's a huge red flag.
You don't have to ask them... It's defined by the type of role.
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Old 02-09-2019, 02:55 PM
 
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1099 has some really great benefits, financially, if you do it right. In fact, I often prefer to be 1099 due to these benefits (mostly tax benefits).
Could you (however briefly) elaborate on this, or at least point to some suitable web sites?

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A better question is why would they want you only for part time if they think you are valuable to the company and they have the money?
Attempting to think from an employer’s viewpoint: Person A is a seasoned technical expert, with specialized skills, who could deploy those skills to a given problem on short notice, with no additional training. Person B had a good formal education, but little experience, and no specialized expertise. I would hire Person B full-time, and Person A as on-call 1099 consultant. Why? Because Person B can be groomed over the course of years. He/she is pliable and hungry. He/she costs less in salary (even if full W2). And it will be many years before he/she becomes a threat to management, either in clamoring to become management themselves, or in questioning management’s strategic decisions. Person B is a potential threat. Person B could quickly learn the specifics of what this company does, if allowed the sort of direct access given to W2 employees. He/she could then leave, going to another company, or start their own competing business. Such an employee is best kept at arm’s length, only called in for occasions when the work is esoteric and specialized. Additionally, having such an employee on 1099 part-time precludes this employee for working full-time W2 elsewhere, thus keeping this potential rival out of the market. Finally, if this 1099 worker is older and more affluent, he/she might be induced to invest in the company. This person’s cash and sweat-equity could be used to grow the company. Then, just before the company gets sold and the main investors cash-out, the 1099 employee is let go, and hopefully bought-out. If the same enticement is given to a W2 employee, presumably it would be harder to fire this employee at the 11th hour
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Old 02-09-2019, 05:02 PM
 
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Contract to perm jobs are a dime a dozen, but people actually making perm are far rarer, unless the skillset is in demand (such as software developers).
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Old 02-09-2019, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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If they can't afford to bring you on full-time for the job you applied for as a regular employee then this isn't a place for you, especially since they passed you up for someone else. But they want you cheap for 1099 (zero benefits) and then will string you along part-time. After they have you working there part-time on 1099, they will again offer the next full-time job to someone else with another good excuse. Don't sell yourself short here. Don't settle and don't believe what they are telling you. If this company is so tight they can't bring you on full-time, this isn't a place for you. Sorry, I know this isn't what you wanted to hear, but I think you should tell them you are only available for full-time work, and continue to keep looking for a full-time job you'll be happy at.

Again, you can't ignore the fact they selected someone else full-time for the job you applied for.

This is the correct interpretation of the situation. Many companies follow a policy of having a certain minimum percentage of their work done by part-timers, as it is more profitable for them. They provide them with no benefits and they receive less compensation for each unit of work they do. The customers are getting less professional service for their money, but most never know that part-timers are doing it. if you want to be strung-along by them in this capacity, I'd set a limit on the time. If they are sincere in wanting to keep you on-deck for a full-time position that will open later, it should happen within six months.

Universities are major players in this practice, by using graduate teaching fellows in many classroom positions, instead of full-time instructors or professors. These graduate students are paid starvation wages, but do it to be able to earn master's and doctoral degrees. However, I'm not opposed to the effect this has, as often the younger graduate students have more up-to-date knowledge about their subjects and being students themselves, can relate better to those they are teaching. And it is an important factor in producing qualified future professors.
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Old 02-09-2019, 05:50 PM
 
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My second interview was with the co-founder. He mentioned they had over $15 million in revenue and last week they just got $10 million in funding from an investor. The co-founded said they would use that funding towards growing their employee base in order to handle their increased workload. Seems to be that why would they cheap out to have me as a 1099 if what he said were true?
Tell him to call you when a FT position opens.
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Old 02-09-2019, 07:02 PM
 
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Universities are major players in this practice, by using graduate teaching fellows in many classroom positions, instead of full-time instructors or professors. These graduate students are paid starvation wages, but do it to be able to earn master's and doctoral degrees. However, I'm not opposed to the effect this has, as often the younger graduate students have more up-to-date knowledge about their subjects and being students themselves, can relate better to those they are teaching. And it is an important factor in producing qualified future professors.
An even more insidious twist is usage of adjunct faculty. They get paid even less than grad students, and unlike students they don't receive benefits, and don't need tuition wavers. They already have PhDs, enviable publication records and demonstrated expertise in their fields, often exceeding that of tenured faculty. But because their careers were spent in industry or government, they are denied tenure track positions. And best of all, is that they can teach graduate classes and sit on PhD review committees... all at $5K per semester, gross. An umbeatable deal!
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Old 02-09-2019, 09:18 PM
 
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Background: Currently work full time at a toxic job I am looking to leave ASAP.

I interviewed with a company I want to work for and a job that was nearly perfect for what I want to do.

I did two interview rounds and just found out they went with someone else for the full time position. But then they said “we would love for you to do part time 1099 work for us. We are growing quickly and want to keep you in mind for future full time positions”.

What should I do here? Do you think they mean the part about keeping me in mind for future full time positions? I do know for a fact they are growing and obtaining more work.

So. You were runner up. They liked you though. Part time: First they intend to watch how you work. It must have been a fine line between you and the other applicant. If I were you I would think that.

Get it in writing first ... about the part keeping you in mind. Ask them what they mean by full time "positions". What kind of positions? If they can tell you that and you like it then have them write it out. Make sure the future position is not a lateral move.
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