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Old 08-16-2014, 05:33 AM
 
Location: Brisbane
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Very interesting. Here're some stats for Australian cities in 2011 (source:http://profile.id.com.au/australia/b...ace?WebID=10):

Sydney
Total People: 4,391,636 (Total responses 5,534,981)
English: 1,132,110 25.8%
Irish: 365,485 8.3%
Scottish: 276,975 6.3%
Welsh 21,097 0.5%
UK Birthplace: 181,892 4.1%
Next highest group of European origin: Italian 183,914; Greek 112,852, German 109,596, Maltese 54,083, Dutch 44,500, Croatian 35,555, Polish 34,719, Spanish 31,451, Serbian 28,260, French 25,284

Melbourne
Total People: 3,999,950 (Total responses 5,087,036)
English: 1,075,384 26.9%
Irish: 351,363 8.8%
Scottish: 289,021 7.2%
Welsh 18,085 0.5%
UK Birthplace: 165,487 5.1%
Next highest group of European origin: Italian 279,140, Greek 154,244, German 121,691, Dutch 65,273, Maltese 62,347, Polish 45,503, Macedonian 39,567, Croatian 34,434, Serbian 26,424, French 21,282

Brisbane
Total People: 2,065,993 (Total responses 2,779,465)
English: 757,732 36.7%
Irish: 238,589 11.5%
Scottish: 201,524 9.8%
Welsh 13,688 0.7%
UK Birthplace: 109,267 5.3%
Next highest group of European origin: German 122,728, Italian 50,987, Dutch 34,985, Greek 13,806, Polish 13,806, French 12,294, Danish 9,316, Spanish 9,205, Russian 7,179, Serbian 6,542

Adelaide
Total People: 1,225,240 (Total responses 1,594,065)
English: 457,019 37.3%
Scottish: 95,959 7.8%
Irish: 92,740 7.6%
Welsh 8,740 0.7%
UK Birthplace: 101,444 8.3%
Next highest group of European origin: Italian 83,930, German 83,817, Greek 34,731, Dutch 20,969, Polish 16,063, Serbian 7,487, Croatian 6,600, Maltese 5,864, French 5,306, Russian 5,157

Perth
Total People: 1,728,887 (Total responses 2,251,785)
English: 649,603 37.6%
Irish: 144,262 8.3%
Scottish: 143,131 8.3%
Welsh 15,194 0.9%
UK Birthplace: 197,665 11.4%
Next highest group of European origin: Italian 93,884, German 46,314, Dutch 35,779, Croatian 15,820, Polish 15,481, Greek 12,408, French 9,903, Serbian 8,921, Macedonian 8,693, Portuguese 7,913, Spanish 6,554
An other off putting thing the ABS does is it lets you nominate more than one ancestry (so does Canada) but it and also does not express the ancestries as a % of 100. So for instance in Sydney their was actually 5,534,981 responses to the ancestry question plus an additional 306,420 people who did not respond to the question, giving a total of 5,841,401 for a population count of 4,391,636 people, or about 133 responses for every 100 people. The actual % of English people in Sydney is 25.8% of 133% or 19.4%.
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Old 08-16-2014, 08:43 AM
 
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An other off putting thing the ABS does is it lets you nominate more than one ancestry (so does Canada) but it and also does not express the ancestries as a % of 100. So for instance in Sydney their was actually 5,534,981 responses to the ancestry question plus an additional 306,420 people who did not respond to the question, giving a total of 5,841,401 for a population count of 4,391,636 people, or about 133 responses for every 100 people. The actual % of English people in Sydney is 25.8% of 133% or 19.4%.
Is this how it works? My thinking is that, out of 4,391,636 Sydneysiders, 1,132,110 has at least some English ancestry but could be mixed. So the percentage would be correct, but they overlap because of those 1,132,110 with reported English ancestry many also have another ancestry reported, hence the actual response rate of 5,534,981.

So I think it is correct that at least 25.8% of the people from Sydney has some English ancestry. But of all those reported, 19.4% is the percentage of English ancestry in relation to the sum of the responses, which do overlap.

I think Statistic Canada used to have a column that reports single ancestry only, with another column of multiple response. I can't seems to find it in their latest 2011 census (which has a 26.1% non-repsonse rate).
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Old 08-16-2014, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Stockholm, Sweden
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27% is the number quoted in ABS 2071.0 for 2011.

One the significant "hidden" aspects of Australia's immigrant population is the age profile of various groups. The 'average' European immigrant, including the UK, is someone around 60, so those number are going to change very dramatically over the next couple of decades.
That is true. I read that the Dutch and German, and I would imagine most European born population has the same trajectory as well. I would think that would be the same for Canada and US, and in a way since the immigration period from various European countries tend to be older, have more multiple ancestry reported.
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Old 08-16-2014, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Brisbane
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Is this how it works? My thinking is that, out of 4,391,636 Sydneysiders, 1,132,110 has at least some English ancestry but could be mixed. So the percentage would be correct, but they overlap because of those 1,132,110 with reported English ancestry many also have another ancestry reported, hence the actual response rate of 5,534,981.

So I think it is correct that at least 25.8% of the people from Sydney has some English ancestry. But of all those reported, 19.4% is the percentage of English ancestry in relation to the sum of the responses, which do overlap.

I think Statistic Canada used to have a column that reports single ancestry only, with another column of multiple response. I can't seems to find it in their latest 2011 census (which has a 26.1% non-repsonse rate).
That makes sense, the abs site itself does list the English portion of Sydney as 20.4% now I look at it, (1,132,110/5,534,081).

2011 Census QuickStats: Greater Sydney

However in both Australia's and Canada's case the actual English portion will be much higher than stated, the most nominated ancestries in each country are Australian and Canadian.

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Old 08-16-2014, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Perth, Western Australia
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People of English ancestry are heavily under-reported in the USA. Many Americans are of mixed European ancestries but will often report the more exotic ancestry be it German, Irish, Italian etc. rather than English. I imagine many who are predominantly of English/British ancestry would simply state they are American.
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Old 08-16-2014, 12:09 PM
 
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Very true, the actual figures for these countries are probably higher. I think it is interesting to see that the English percentage is higher in Australian and the Scottish has a higher representation in the Canadian cities. The Irish representation is also significantly higher in the USA as well, outnumbering their English, Scottish and Welsh counterparts in the survey. Here're the stats in which each country reports themselves as Australian, Canadian, American and so on:

Australia:
Australian 7,098,097 33.0%

Canada:
Canadian 10,563,805 32%
Québécois 193,885 0.6%

USA:
American 20,775,461 5.9%

Interesting the figures in the American census is significant lower. But it probably has to do with how the survey is conducted.
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Old 08-16-2014, 02:57 PM
 
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"American" is only a single response. In the US census if your write "Irish American" only the Irish gets counted. If you write "Irish Canadian" in Canada both replies get counted.
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Old 08-16-2014, 02:58 PM
 
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People of English ancestry are heavily under-reported in the USA. Many Americans are of mixed European ancestries but will often report the more exotic ancestry be it German, Irish, Italian etc. rather than English. I imagine many who are predominantly of English/British ancestry would simply state they are American.
They certainly do. How else does one explain English ancestry dropping in a state like Kentucky from 36% in 1980 to less than 10% today?
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Old 08-17-2014, 05:18 AM
 
Location: Earth
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Australians probably feel the need to leave their country in order to be internationally successful. Australia and NZ are such isolated places and it really is frustrating to be so disconnected, especially to the big players like the US and Europe. Tyranny of distance definitely applies.
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Old 08-17-2014, 01:13 PM
 
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Very true, the actual figures for these countries are probably higher. I think it is interesting to see that the English percentage is higher in Australian and the Scottish has a higher representation in the Canadian cities. The Irish representation is also significantly higher in the USA as well, outnumbering their English, Scottish and Welsh counterparts in the survey. Here're the stats in which each country reports themselves as Australian, Canadian, American and so on:

Australia:
Australian 7,098,097 33.0%

Canada:
Canadian 10,563,805 32%
Québécois 193,885 0.6%

USA:
American 20,775,461 5.9%

Interesting the figures in the American census is significant lower. But it probably has to do with how the survey is conducted.
I wonder why Scottish ancestry is higher than Irish ancestry in Canada and why Irish people immigrated in mass number in the US rather than Australia, Canada, New Zealand or even South Africa.

I read somewhere there are 25 ethnic groups who are more than 1 million so i understand why the percentage of American ancestry is lower than the others.
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