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Old 01-02-2019, 07:02 PM
 
Location: San Antonio/Houston
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Interesting is when some of the poorer countries in Europe have lower incomes than what most consider third world countries in Asia or Latin America.

For example, average income in Serbia is lower than Peru, Thailand, Ecuador, and Colombia.
Average income in Bulgaria is lower than Brazil, Mexico, China and Malaysia.
Per capita annual incomes worldwide range from $280 in Burundi to $82,230 in Norway, with the U.S. in between at $56,180.

In 2017, the highest standard of living was in Liechtenstein, with $139,100 per person. The lowest was Burundi, at $700 per capita. The United States ranked 19th at $59,500 per capita.

Does that mean that the US is a second world country?
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Old 01-02-2019, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Taipei, Taiwan
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Per capita annual incomes worldwide range from $280 in Burundi to $82,230 in Norway, with the U.S. in between at $56,180.

In 2017, the highest standard of living was in Liechtenstein, with $139,100 per person. The lowest was Burundi, at $700 per capita. The United States ranked 19th at $59,500 per capita.

Does that mean that the US is a second world country?
GDP per capita =/= per capita income.
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Old 01-02-2019, 10:08 PM
 
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I've frequently wondered about this topic. Today when I looked it up, I found this site:

List of Third World Countries

Strange that Iraq and Iran are on it. But like China, this list goes by per-capita income. Countries that rely on foreign aid to a large extent.

South America has rain and much agriculture and oil. As opposed to say, Sudan or Ethiopia.
S.A. is developING

Here is the key phrase -


"Third world countries are those whose economies are highly dependent on the on the economic wealth of the developed countries due to which these poor countries have a large foreign debt on them as a result."

So... what was the question again?

If the countries couldn't develop their own technology sector on time AND/or the banking system, they became dependent on he first world countries. Hence they are third world countries, with different levels of wealth.
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Old 01-02-2019, 10:09 PM
 
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Because China is a third world country. The second world no longer exists.
What you said has nothing to do with what I said. What's your point?
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Old 01-02-2019, 10:11 PM
 
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What does per-capita average wealth matter, if the public doesn't benefit from that wealth? Look at Kazakhstan on that map; you'd think life there must be improving. But I suspect most of the wealth comes from resource extraction, and remains in the capital, under government control, while the people in the rural areas still live like they did close to 100 years ago.

Measuring by a nation's wealth is deceptive. Standard of living and wealth don't always correlate on a national level.
This map shows mean wealth actually owned by adults, not national wealth divided by population.
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Old 01-02-2019, 10:20 PM
 
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Interesting map. Russia looks like it's ahead of most of SE Asia, but Russians who visit SE Asia are overwhelmed by the availability of consumer goods. They come back thinking they're way behind the 3rd World.

Russians don't have availability of consumers goods ( made in China?)


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So what is it that places Russia ahead? Is it ahead, in fact? What are the criteria? I think the criteria by which Russia ranks higher, are that education, including higher education, is available to all, and also there's nearly-universal health care. Those kinds of intangibles make a big difference. This tells us something about what criteria we should use in determining who's 3rd World and who isn't.


Very good thread topic, OP!

If Russians have "nearly-universal health care," how come typical American abomination "such and such kid needs an expensive operation, let's collect money for him/her - send whatever you can" happen more and more often there?
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Old 01-02-2019, 10:34 PM
 
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I agree very much with your view, but with the inequality adjusted HDI index instead and the cut off around the top 40. Portugal should be the bottom of first world tier imo.
Well Portugal IS at the bottom of first world. Eastern Europe, Greece, and Portugal are the bottom.

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What you said has nothing to do with what I said. What's your point?
My point is China is a 3rd world country so what Chinese people say is true, and there's no 2nd world anymore. There hasn't been one since 1991.

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There's a similar debate about Taiwan; it has very modern cities, but have the rural areas caught up? Does its "Tiger Economy" status qualify it for 1st World starts, along with Japan? I think Japan is way ahead of Taiwan, but I'm no expert. Is Korea First World, now?

I think, to be considered First World, i.e. a developed nation, the standard of living in the rural areas needs to be at a certain level: the vast majority should have indoor plumbing of some kind, electricity, adequate heat in cold winter conditions. Paved roads nearby. Public transportation to take people to stores for basic necessities.
I don't think rural areas are particularly awful in Taiwan and Korea comparing to places like Britain or America. The worst counties in Britain and America are most likely even more ****ed up than the poorest areas in Taiwan and Korea since the crime rate in the former would be completely out of control with junkies and ****.

Every household has indoor plumbing, electricity (seriously?), internet, and paved roads nearby here. Ok maybe not every single one but it would be like 90% or something. Public transportation is almost non-existent but in what country is the public transportation good in rural areas?

There is not heating for winter though because it doesn't get that cold, but they would all have AC.

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Old 01-02-2019, 10:38 PM
 
Location: Cebu, Philippines
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A third world country is one that is below the speaker's threshold for development in the sector that the speaker is talking about. A country mat be third world in a conversation about banking, but not in health care.

I agree with marlaver, that the rural standard is a better barometer than the urban.
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Old 01-03-2019, 12:41 AM
 
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Well Portugal IS at the bottom of first world. Eastern Europe, Greece, and Portugal are the bottom.


My point is China is a 3rd world country so what Chinese people say is true, and there's no 2nd world anymore. There hasn't been one since 1991.


I don't think rural areas are particularly awful in Taiwan and Korea comparing to places like Britain or America. The worst counties in Britain and America are most likely even more ****ed up than the poorest areas in Taiwan and Korea since the crime rate in the former would be completely out of control with junkies and ****.

Every household has indoor plumbing, electricity (seriously?), internet, and paved roads nearby here. Ok maybe not every single one but it would be like 90% or something. Public transportation is almost non-existent but in what country is the public transportation good in rural areas?

There is not heating for winter though because it doesn't get that cold, but they would all have AC.
Many smaller places in Germany and France offer solid public transportation options.
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Old 01-03-2019, 06:07 AM
 
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Many smaller places in Germany and France offer solid public transportation options.
If you still need a car to move around it's not solid.
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