"Proved" or "Proven" ? (tense, quote, words)

[nostoneunturned]

I've been noticing this lately- I see in articles and in forums people stating something like, "It's proved that 9 out of 10 ..."

Now, I always thought it should be "proven," so it reads, "It's proven that 9 out of 10..." Is that wrong? Or are they both right?

[bg7]

Originally Posted by nostoneunturned

I've been noticing this lately- I see in articles and in forums people stating something like, "It's proved that 9 out of 10 ..."

Now, I always thought it should be "proven," so it reads, "It's proven that 9 out of 10..." Is that wrong? Or are they both right?

To my mind it depends what the contraction stands for.

It was proved that (referring to the event of proving in the past)
It has been proven that (referring to the current extant state of something previously proven)

I'm only going by what sounds right to my ear though, I have absolutely no rules I can cite to back up my claims! Perhaps an expert can help us out.

[Rubi3]

Originally Posted by bg7

To my mind it depends what the contraction stands for.

It was proved that (referring to the event of proving in the past)
It has been proven that (referring to the current extant state of something previously proven)

I'm only going by what sounds right to my ear though, I have absolutely no rules I can cite to back up my claims! Perhaps an expert can help us out.

No expert, but I don't see how knowing what the contraction stands for means anything. Seems to me both words are correct, but perhaps the above words I made bold are redundant.

[bg7]

Originally Posted by Rubi3

No expert, but I don't see how knowing what the contraction stands for means anything. Seems to me both words are correct, but perhaps the above words I made bold are redundant.

If the contraction "it's" means "it is" then "it is proved" is unlikely to be right since I'm understanding from the OP this is a past tense issue. I'm not sure I've previously heard of the contraction "it's" being used for "it was" either.

[Dirt Grinder]

Originally Posted by bg7

...I'm not sure I've previously heard of the contraction "it's" being used for "it was" either.

Nor I. I only know of it being used for "it is" or "it has."

[kharing]

You say tomato.....

[Metlakatla]

These can be -- and are -- used interchangeably most of the time.

[Rubi3]

Originally Posted by bg7

If the contraction "it's" means "it is" then "it is proved" is unlikely to be right since I'm understanding from the OP this is a past tense issue. I'm not sure I've previously heard of the contraction "it's" being used for "it was" either.

I know what it's means.

[Ralph_Kirk]

You need never use "proven." "Proved" is correct in all past and past perfect situations.

[bg7]

Originally Posted by Rubi3

I know what it's means.

My, you seem touchy. I thought we were having a discussion - did I wander into the pugilism boards instead?