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Old 05-03-2023, 07:54 AM
 
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I asked ai how people will be taxed if they aren't working because ai took away jobs and this is their response:


That's a great question. There are a few different ways that people could be taxed if they aren't working because AI took all the jobs.

One way is to have a universal basic income (UBI). A UBI is a government program that would provide a regular, unconditional payment to all citizens. This would ensure that everyone has enough money to meet their basic needs, even if they are not working.

Another way to tax people who are not working is to have a negative income tax (NIT). A NIT is a government program that would provide a tax credit to low-income individuals and families. This would ensure that everyone has enough money to meet their basic needs, even if they are not working enough to earn a taxable income.

Finally, governments could also raise taxes on other sources of income, such as capital gains or dividends. This would ensure that people who are not working are still contributing to the tax base, even if they are not earning a wage.


It is important to note that there is no one-size-fits-all solution to this problem. The best way to tax people who are not working will depend on the specific circumstances of each country. However, it is important to start thinking about this issue now, so that we can be prepared for the future.
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Old 05-03-2023, 12:12 PM
 
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NWO calls for 2 classes of people globally....the elite and everyone else.
On the other hand, under the republican form of government, the people are sovereigns, and the government is their servant (as are their subject citizens).
Few Americans, if any, can accurately define the republican form, its source and origin, but it is still the law.

Which brings me to the issue of "taxing robots." Since endowed rights that governments were instituted to secure cannot be taxed, lest they be diminished by ever higher taxation, only government PRIVILEGES are taxable.
Which revenue taxable privilege is involved with owning and using robots?
If the government says we, the people, cannot own robots as private property, then perhaps they can tax the custody of robots by their subjects.
Shucks, the government said (in 1933), "free" Americans couldn't own gold, and would prosecute them (10 yrs in prison!), so I guess it wouldn't be too extreme for government to step in... Assuming that we gave them consent to do so.
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Old 05-03-2023, 12:31 PM
 
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IBM is bogged down by their own bureaucracy.

They keep all the management types and fire all the programmers and then offshore the work.
Two lions escaped from a zoo, and agreed to go their separate ways, but meet a month later to see how thy did on the outside.

One is skinny, ragged and stressed: "It has been terrifying. I ate one single human and they've been after me ever since, with nets and guns and whatnot. Never a moment's ease. How have you been faring?"

The other - well-fed, rested, and happy: "I've been hiding outside IBM's HQ. I eat a couple of middle managers per week. No one notices."
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Old 05-03-2023, 04:40 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Basically if technology replaces most jobs our entire societal and economic model has to change. Millions of people won't tolerate having nothing and having no chance at having anything. Fear mongering about "socialism" won't really work at that point.
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Old 05-03-2023, 05:51 PM
 
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Technology was said to replace workers starting 30+ years ago.

Will never happen to the extent people fear it will.

Why?

People will always be needed to create, build, program, test, modify, troubleshoot, re-code, re-test all this new technology. It takes a lot of people to build tech things, and it's more complicated than some realize. Plus, it has to fit into existing systems, infrastructure and that takes enormous amounts of time and $$$$$ to make happen.
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Old 05-03-2023, 06:01 PM
 
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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ibm-p...212747073.html

Almost everyday it is becoming clearer r that AI is moving much more rapidly than people thought. My husband works with a team and he constantly complains about the lack of talent. Just for fun I had him tell me to ask AI to do some of their tasks. It was remarkably good and instantaneous. I was skeptical at first but everytime I use it I see more implications of what it can do. I will laugh one day when it says "if you can learn how to code you ought to be able to shovel coal in a mine.

I also think it was probably how Elon could cut 80% of his work force at Twitter and the site is fine. Sure some people were lazy, lefties bla bla bla but still it's impressive. Anyway we live in some very exciting times.
I wonder if AI will approve of and work toward "slavery reparations"?

Here is the issue:

With expanding technology and AI assuming increasing roles in the economy, we have REDUCED NEED for a physical human work force. This is happening at the exact time at which we have a less and less educated population, incapable of finding meaningful work that will provide enough income to lead a life beyond subsistence.

Soooooo........................ with reduced demand for labor, we have TOO LARGE OF A POPULATION for the world to support.

As time progresses, we will see more and more instances of large, unemployed, violent mobs attacking more affluent areas in order to vent their frustrations and seek all the consumer goods they see, but cannot afford.
In order to actually compete in such an economy will require individuals with more skills and more education which cannot be obtained by the vast majority of the population.

It makes one wonder whether Democrat initiatives such as "global warming", Covid, destroying the family unit, and abortion on demand is directed toward reducing the world population without that direct stated intention.
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Old 05-03-2023, 06:48 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ibm-p...212747073.html

Almost everyday it is becoming clearer r that AI is moving much more rapidly than people thought. My husband works with a team and he constantly complains about the lack of talent. Just for fun I had him tell me to ask AI to do some of their tasks. It was remarkably good and instantaneous. I was skeptical at first but every time I use it I see more implications of what it can do. I will laugh one day when it says "if you can learn how to code you ought to be able to shovel coal in a mine.

I also think it was probably how Elon could cut 80% of his work force at Twitter and the site is fine. Sure some people were lazy, lefties bla bla bla but still it's impressive. Anyway we live in some very exciting times.
I can see the day where primary care doctors might be replaced with AI and a nurse practitioner. Patients would submit to a questionnaire, followed by automated equipment to test blood pressure, temperature, weight. Then the nurse does a visual with the patient, the AI spits out possibilities and the nurse gives he ok.

A lot of times doctors are the ones who misdiagnose, because they don't ask the right questions, and don't have the expertise since they are just general practitioners.
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Old 05-03-2023, 07:30 PM
 
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I kind of agree with this article, in that AI will eventually create another large wealth gap as those who can specialize in implementing and maintaining AI in the work environment will earn huge wages, while many people will end up in lower wage jobs involving physical labor. AI can easily replace so many jobs and middle management positions.

US experts warn AI likely to kill off jobs – and widen wealth inequality
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