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Old 05-02-2023, 03:27 PM
 
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Well what's the value of your product if you have nobody to sell it to? I don't know what is next. However the concept of an honest days work for an honest days pay is antiquated. One theory is eventually with AI and robotic automation is there would be a tax on machines to provide income for those they replace. Hopefully AI can come up with the answer to that lol

Either way some sort of shift in the societal paradigm will be required.
If there is no value to a product nobody will make it, so there is no way out of vicious cycle. Tax codes may have to undergo large changes. Interesting but scary times.

I don’t think there will be a shift in paradigm. People will still want to get paid for work. Sometimes I think we could be heading towards a distopian kind of world where only a few elite have wealth. Some would say we have that now, but we aren’t even close to how bad it could get.
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Old 05-02-2023, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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If that's the case the problem solves itself. Over 99% of the population is no longer fit to exist and is allowed to die off. The 1% left have bots and machines and humanity spontaneously evolves. Hal knew that humans being involved weren't mission critical. Lol
Good to see you have not become jaded by modern life.
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Old 05-02-2023, 03:31 PM
 
Location: West Virginia
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Good to see you have not become jaded by modern life.
I was replying to somebody being irrational and used that persons standards.
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Old 05-02-2023, 03:34 PM
 
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AI is going to eliminate a lot of jobs
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Old 05-02-2023, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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What consumers if most jobs are automated?

We're going to need some evolution from capitalism if we truly make most labor obsolete.

The Economics of Star Trek
The Proto-Post Scarcity Economy
Help me out with thinking this through...

POOF! Presto!

All labor is replaced with automation and AI. Every single productive job is replaced with automation. Every single human decision is made by AI.

You now have an idle world population of 8 billion people who have everything provided for them, and are free to pursue any of their desired interests or activities, since all 8 billion are free from both want and the need to work.

Everybody wants to live on the beach. How do you decide who gets to live in a big house on the beach, and who gets stacked up in a 50 story condo downtown with the rest of the rats.

Capitalism solves this problem through the free market. People who desire to live in a big house on the beach are free to work very hard and take the risks to start something new or build a better mousetrap, can try to earn the money to fulfill their beach house dream.

With all of us equally unemployed, how do you divide up who lives where? How do you assign resources. I guess we would all wear the same outfit so none is unfair. We would all live in a similar small apartment so none is unfair. We would all be provided the same small amount of food each day so none is unfair. We would all drive the same small pod so none is unfair.

Lets say we all want to travel overseas for vacation. Are we each going to have a private airplane provided to us, or do we all compete for a small set number of available aircraft? Are we all assigned a coupon for one trip a month or a year? Are we assigned a coupon for a certain number of airline miles a year.

THINK ABOUT THIS.

When everyone is equally unemployed and provided for, how do you divide goods, services and resources? Everyting must be equally rationed to all people at all times?

Have you ever thought this through?
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Old 05-02-2023, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Now isn't that the big caveat to all this ? How will people survive ? Someone mentioned UBI...where will that come from ?
The answer is, unironically, going to be a form of socialism. We will, hopefully democratically, decide as a society what goods and services to produce with the technology and a small amount of workers and how to distribute them, in a relatively planned economy, probably with markets as well. The technology, raw materials, labor, energy etc. are all there. We just use printed currency as a sort of motivational paradigm to set those wheels in motion, but society existed before the labor-for-money-for-existence paradigm, and it will hopefully exist after that paradigm starts to fail. I believe, with great faith and uncertainty, that people may very well volunteer their labor in this sort of post-scarcity society. If not for social standing and purpose, than for a matter of societal self-preservation and thus individual self-preservation. In other words, hunter-gatherers didn't need to pay or force someone to find food. They just joined the hunting club because they got hungry. In this case, the means of production were well within their grasp. Just a rambling vision, dont take my words too seriously.
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Old 05-02-2023, 03:48 PM
 
Location: West Virginia
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lol most of my programming and 3D modeling skills I learned from youtube. Saved me money and got me a job. I did take some classes but I didn't need to spend a gazillion dollars.
I didn't do it anyway but part of my consideration is they would get you placed in a company somewhere.
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Old 05-02-2023, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Computer generated product has been around long before A.I.
An old program "Band-in-a-Box" could generate "new" melodies, improvisations, etc, based on your input of chords, etc. Several professional song writers admitted that they used BIAB to help generate hit songs, that they tweaked a bit... so they said. (wink, wink, nod, nod)
You could take a chord progression from one song, shift style, tempo, key, and (sampled) musicians and regenerate something utterly new. Have Chet Atkins and Rory Gallagher play Dixieland blues to a shuffle beat, etc, etc. Stranger things have happened - Jimi Hendrix wrote "Manic Depression" in Waltz time.

A.I. art is rapidly becoming stunning. . .
A.I. generated nebula from nightcafe
https://creator.nightcafe.studio/

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Old 05-02-2023, 04:07 PM
 
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I spent 34 years working for IBM so this doesn't surprise me in the least. As a side note, AI doesn't pay any taxes so if people don't have jobs then the government will have to find other ways to take away whatever money or investment savings you have left.
That's a really great point!
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Old 05-02-2023, 04:33 PM
 
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I mean it will be very competitive and didn't mean you specifically.
Well, what I am saying is whoever has this super advanced AI wont need the rest of us humans. They dont need to compete with the rest of us at all. They dont even need anything we have to offer. Unless they hoard all raw materials to themselves. But in that case there will be open warfare.
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