Some Good Health Care Reading, From an MD (Fox: low income, health insurance)
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Maybe, just maybe, some opinions could change with this.
I have personal experience in regards to how terrible the elderly and low income are treated, my mother. It's a long story, but if you don't have insurance, the doctors treat you like sh**, and send you home with an untreated broken hip.
Why are we one of the only countries that are so called advanced, not have health care provided. It truly is time for the US to get out of the dark ages, grow up, stop being so damn money hungry, and help each other.
When you look at the history of Medicare and how the Republicans thwarted Truman and his successors for a couple of decades, you have the answers to your questions. I just saw on TV a bunch of Texas rednecks shout on Fox News that "Obama is taking away our rights to choice." This is especially funny given that the public option proposed by Obama and vehemently opposed by the Republicans actually EXPANDS choice.
Healthcare should be a not-for-profit enterprise. The insurance companies raking in the moolah are going to fight reform tooth and nail. But we have to stand up and punch them and the disgusting Republicans back, and I hope Obama does.
For those interested in understanding why we are where we are today (economically), see this latest piece by Paul Krugman. It is beautifully written, in a way that is understandable to anyone who can read and reflect.
For those interested in understanding why we are where we are today (economically), see this latest piece by Paul Krugman. It is beautifully written, in a way that is understandable to anyone who can read and reflect.
Fact: The CBO has stated that current proposals will cost anywhere from 1 to 1.6 TRILLION dollars. And we all know that government entitlements always come in WAY over their predicted totals.
Fact: Socialized medicine ALWAYS results in rationing and lower quality of care.
There are far too many examples to waste my time citing them all. Google is your friend.
Fact: The projected budget deficits through 2019 total 9 TRILLION dollars. Starting ANOTHER government entitlement is fiscal insanity. Not to mention that we have over 100 TRILLION dollars in unfunded liabilities to current entitlements such as Medicare, Medicaid, and SS.
Bottom line: The proposals currently before Congress will drive up health care costs, drastically lower the quality of care, and bankrupt the nation in the process. Such is the "logic" of the contemporary progressive.
@Nephler, the current nightmarish proposals before Congress will throw the elderly under the bus. Any government-run system always results in rationing and the oldsters are routinely denied necessary treatment because it isn't deemed "cost-effective."
@Nephler, the current nightmarish proposals before Congress will throw the elderly under the bus. Any government-run system always results in rationing and the oldsters are routinely denied necessary treatment because it isn't deemed "cost-effective."
You must know that Medicare is a government run program, right? What would the elderly do now if it was discontinued?
Do you think that health insurance companies don't "deny treatment" because it isn't "cost effective?" Have you ever read a private health insurance policy? Where doesn't it talk about rationing? They just don't call it that. In fact, a health reform bill will do just the opposite by eliminating this type of discrimination and limitation.
I'm just trying to figure out why all the people who work for the government and get great benefits from the government don't want the taxpayers who elected them to get the same benefits.
By the way, I'm a licensed health insurance agent in Florida.
You must know that Medicare is a government run program, right? What would the elderly do now if it was discontinued?
Do you think that health insurance companies don't "deny treatment" because it isn't "cost effective?" Have you ever read a private health insurance policy? Where doesn't it talk about rationing? They just don't call it that. In fact, a health reform bill will do just the opposite by eliminating this type of discrimination and limitation.
I'm just trying to figure out why all the people who work for the government and get great benefits from the government don't want the taxpayers who elected them to get the same benefits.
By the way, I'm a licensed health insurance agent in Florida.
I suggest you read the bills currently before Congress.
And seniors are afraid of Mr. Obama's plan to cut $500 billion from Medicare over the next decade, including $177 billion for Medicare Advantage. It's simply not possible to cut that much from Medicare without also cutting services seniors need.
Please, don't try to excuse the disaster that could be incoming by claiming to work for a health insurance company. My wife has a doctorate in a health care profession(and is FAR more knowledgeable than you are by proxy) and in a position of extreme prominence, and she is absolutely frightened by what these idiots in Congress can do to our health care system. You have brainless twits, who don't even read the bills, passing laws which intimately affect people's lives. It's repulsive and idiotic in the extreme. That is why EVERY single poll shows a clear plurality of Americans opposed to this stupidity.
The government can't even deliver the mail under budget nor administer a simple program such as "Cash for Clunkers" without massive mistakes. Who, in their right mind, would want the federal government dictating life-or-death decisions for 300 MILLION people? Yep, only a brain-dead progressive would.
Every single last poll shows that the American people have woken up and don't want the government dictating the most important of life's decisions. Go to hell Nancy Pelosi, you brain-dead dimwit.
Last edited by Classic Satch; 09-04-2009 at 04:52 AM..
I suggest you read the bills currently before Congress.
And seniors are afraid of Mr. Obama's plan to cut $500 billion from Medicare over the next decade, including $177 billion for Medicare Advantage. It's simply not possible to cut that much from Medicare without also cutting services seniors need.
Please, don't try to excuse the disaster that could be incoming by claiming to work for a health insurance company. My wife has a doctorate in a health care profession(and is FAR more knowledgeable than you are by proxy) and a position of extreme prominence, and she is absolutely frightened by what these idiots in Congress can do to our health care system. You have brainless twits, who don't even read the bills, passing laws which intimately affect people's lives. It's repulsive and idiotic in the extreme. That is why EVERY single poll shows a clear plurality of Americans opposed to this stupidity.
The government can't even deliver the mail under budget nor administer a simple program such as "Cash for Clunkers" without massive mistakes. Who, in their right mind, would want the federal government dictating life-or-death decisions for 300 MILLION people? Yep, only a brain-dead progressive would.
Every single last poll shows that the American people have woken up and don't want the government dictating the most important of life's decisions. Go to hell Nancy Pelosi, you brain-dead dimwit.
Yeah, give us an article by Karl Rove to show us how right you are, and how without any bias. That guy is a boil on the butt on humankind. Not above ANY dirty trick to get exactly what he wants. He's turned politics in this country into an all-out sideshow.
The federal government is controlling Medicare NOW. How many conservative oldsters do you know who would scream bloody murder if it was taken away?
And why do you think the deficit is so high right now that programs are costing such a mint? That's your buddy Bush's war finally coming back to bite this country SQUARE in the ass. Several trillion, and for what? Clinton left us with the books in the black, and Bush turned that upside down and then some in 8 years. If you seriously think our budget has been in the red only since January, you really need psychiatric help.
And no you're full of it, the American public are DEMANDING healthcare alternatives. They're tired of losing jobs and losing healthcare along with it. Tired of pre-existing condition clauses, and tired of being screwed out of every single penny (and their houses) just to have treatment for cancer. If that means government-run anything vs. being several hundred thousand in debt or dying, most people support it.
You're just too busy watching Faux News, where everything they show is conservatives at Town Hall meetings shouting everyone else down. That's how they get ratings.
This man/woman is so obviously ignorant of how America operates as to be a laughingstock. Unfortunately, given the radical nuts that our president has surrounded himself with(Van Jones, Eric Holdren, Cass Sunstein), this shoudn't be surprising.
Please, don't try to excuse the disaster that could be incoming by claiming to work for a health insurance company. My wife has a doctorate in a health care profession(and is FAR more knowledgeable than you are by proxy) and in a position of extreme prominence, and she is absolutely frightened by what these idiots in Congress can do to our health care system.
So you advise others to avoid the exact proxy that you then invoke! ...Well, let me invoke a proxy:
My daughter has a modest bit more experience in the legal aspects of health care programs than probably anyone you can name. She holds a Juris Doctorate and has extensive experience in provision of health care. (Which is to say, not a "related field", but rather experience precisely in to topic of discussion.)
She is the Senior Director of Intergovernmental and Legal Affairs for the Alaska Native Tribal Health Consortium. She is Chair-Elect of the Governance Board for The Foraker Group, is the Chair of the Indian Health Service Tribal of Self-Governance Advisory Commitee, was a member of President Bush's Medicare Commission, and is a member of the Governor's Alaska Health Care Commission. She has testified to Congress many times about the legal aspects of health care in Alaska, including recent testimony about the currently proposed health care package.
Now, let me suggest to you that invoking proxies did not and cannot make your opinion valid or rational while you continue to insult everyone's intelligence with nonsense and name calling.
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You have brainless twits, who don't even read the bills, passing laws which intimately affect people's lives. It's repulsive and idiotic in the extreme. That is why EVERY single poll shows a clear plurality of Americans opposed to this stupidity.
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I've deleted most of your obnoxious name calling rant.
The facts are that America spends a larger percentage of our economy on health care, and gets less benefit from it, than virtually any of the world's industrialized nations that provide "socialist" public health care programs. We have a higher infant mortality rate and a lower longevity rate that any of them.
One of the primary reasons our current system is so poor is because of people like yourself, who are clueless at best.
Can't rep you Floyd. Very well written. People convinced of one or the other camp will quote their pundits and defend their special intrests. I hear many MD or nurses afraid that when Obama gets it they will loose a lot of their income. But that is not the question.
The question is do we need health care reform and to me it is clear that yes, we do.
I have what is considered a good health insurance coverage, yet I can not afford to use it.
$50 emergency room copay? What $50??? there is always thousands left to pay after the insurance pays most of the bill. Heart stress test- couple of grand left to pay after the insurance covers the bills. Colonoscopy? Same crap. Thank God I am healthy.
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That guy is a boil on the butt on humankind. Not above ANY dirty trick to get exactly what he wants. He's turned politics in this country into an all-out sideshow. 
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