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What do you mean? That's what socialism means and that's what it is in practice.
Let me educate you. What FOX TV calls "socialist" is actually compassionate and regulated capitalism. Socialism implies that the economy is state owned. The most successful European economies are driven by the private sector. If you want to consider them Social Democrats then that is in order, but understand that during the Cold War those nations allied themselves with the USA, and not the USSR or China. Clearly they saw themselves as being more ideologically with the laissez faire capitalism of the USA than the state owned fascists dictatorships of the USSR.
If the USA collapses there goes the rest of the world. You really don't know too much about global economics do you! Now why doesn't the Euro zone or the former Soviet Union occupy this central role?
75% of Black kids are born out of wedlock because of the 1-2 Punch of corporations sending all the working class urban jobs overseas
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Don't worry about Webster. He is an known New York racist he seems angry because he because he cant use the "N" word any more. Arguing with him is a waste of time as he will claim that blacks are worse off now than they were in 1960 based on what FOX TV tells him.
75% of Black kids are born out of wedlock because of the 1-2 Punch of corporations sending all the working class urban jobs overseas so that CEOs could make 4000x what the average worker makes instead of 40x, which is what they made 40 years ago and the "War On Drugs" perpetrated by conservatives like Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan.
Young Black men in urban ghettos go to bad schools, don't have job skills, can't get the working class jobs that their fathers and grandfathers in Detroit, Gary, Flint, etc. . .could, and end up in the streets, where they get killed because America insists on a policy of drug prohibition that does nothing but kill people and put people in prison. Because of this, America has 25% of the entire world's prison population, which has become HUGE business for private prisons.
If neither jail or death get them, then they're emasculated because they'll never make enough money to take care of a family and leave the family.
It's gotten worst since Bill Clinton gutted the "New Deal" and "The Great Society" in the 1990s and allowed Wall-Street bankers and corporations to do what the hell they want and passed NAFTA, which sent more jobs overseas and made for bigger wealth inequality.
Johnson's "Great Society" had cut poverty from 22% to 12% by 1970.
Johnson's "Great Society" cut African American poverty from 55% to 27% in 1968.
Poverty had basically stood still for 100 years and within a decade "The Great Society" cut poverty rates for the next 30 years.
It was Bill Clinton and his conservatives frenemies in Congress that undid all that and now poverty rates are at the highest they've been in years.
So, I take it my clear minded friend, that the 75% of unmarried Black Women did not allow their men to get them pregnant? It was the state? The great society? Sheesh. You are such an apologist that it is almost fruitless trying to get you to see how the great society harmed the black family. What was the percentage of unwed black mothers in the 1950s? About 25%. Now it's 75% and EVERY year it gets higher.
Oh yes, coorporations want poor black people. You are out to lunch, to say the least. It's ALL a giant Consipracy.
So, I take it my clear minded friend, that the 75% of unmarried Black Women did not allow their men to get them pregnant? It was the state? The great society? Sheesh. You are such an apologist that it is almost fruitless trying to get you to see how the great society harmed the black family. What was the percentage of unwed black mothers in the 1950s? About 25%. Now it's 75% and EVERY year it gets higher.
Oh yes, coorporations want poor black people. You are out to lunch, to say the least. It's ALL a giant Consipracy.
The problem is as out of wed lock births increased, so did the size of the black middle class. So why do people like you always cite that one statistic and not the % of blacks with college education, the % of blacks who aren't poor, or the % of black households which earn more than average? I would think that you would be proud that a nation which was easily the world's most bigoted up to the 60s (with the exception of South Africa) was able to see a large % of its black population improve their socio economic status.
And we can have lengthy debates about why it increased among poor black women. I will suggest that when black men (who had very high labor force participation rates in the 50s) began to lose jobs in the 60s due to automation, and the transfer of jobs from the core cities and out of the country, they became less able to support families. When the social welfare programs were constructed to chase men out of the house then the women who needed that help couldn't get married.
Also to say that 70% are born out of wed lock doesn't imply that 70% lack access to their fathers. I would worry more about divorce, because from what I have seen the impact on kids is way more traumatic.
So I take it that North Korea is a zone of plenty and that hordes of Caribbean people are rushing to find work in Cuba. And that since China has become a capitalist country increasing numbers are poor. And it is a capitalist country. Indeed its safety net isnt even that good.
Capitalism has its flaws but it doesnt look like Marxist Leninist societies are any better. Scandinavia and the Netherlands are private sector dominated societies with a MULTI PARTY DEMOCRATIC system and an active govt which provides a safety net.
A country where all banks and most big companies are state run is not a capitalist country.
Scandinavia has a very large government sector and its labour markets are very regulated. People pay lots of taxes (up to 40%, much more if you're a big urner) but get very good and accessible to all roads, hospitals, universities, etc. in return and a high standard of living. From a US perspective, it would be called socialist. But in reality it's social-democrat. However such experiments in poorer, less developped countries always failed, since the rich in these countries can and do bribe everyone and own the state, in their advantage, and don't pay taxes. However in the US that northern model would be possible and would be a big change for the better. I think if Obama could choose his own model, that's what he would try to implement in the us.
In poor countries communists proved generally to do a better job in improving living standards, such as in Vietnam, China, Mocambique, etc. and also nowadays in many latin American countries.
Well if Costa Rica has done a good job for its people without installing a fascist dictatorship then why is that Costa Rica's fault?
You always take the examples which are better off than Cuba, such as Costa Rica or Trinidad.
But most countries in the region actually have worse standards of living compared to Cuba. And these are toroughly capitalist, such as Guatemala or DR.
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Blame that on Castro who abolished private ownership, saw that country collapse and now he wants it back again, but taxes it heavily and subjects it to extreme regulations.
He wants to implement the Chinese system. Government still owns the big companies and the banks, but Cubans are free to start their own business. However they want to avoid that much of the economy gets in the hands of a few capitalists, as happened in Russia in the 90, with catastrophic results for the economy and living standards.
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Cubans dont pay rent so no one fixes their homes, and they earn too little to do so themselves.
that's indeed a problem. However there are the CDR's. If it's clear the inhabitants are not taking care of their home or apartment, the CDR will question them. The same goes for inhabitants who like to litter the place with garbage.
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They pay little for public buses and so the system is very inadequate. If some one wishes to travel from one end of Havana to the next how do they do so, without extensive waits on numerous buses?
these days the" camello's" have been replaced by modern buses. You can get anywhere in Cuba with public transport, even to the smallest village, is that also the case in the us? I remember waiting for a bus from the airport of Houston to town, I was already surprsed there was no metro as would be the case with any european city of the same size. I had to wait more than one hour, most other passanger were black and doidn't look as if they were thriving...
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$3 means that seven meals= their salary. Dont understand your point. Other places its $7 and they earn vastly more than that.
Where do you get a 3 course meal in a seafood restaurant for 7$? 3$ is really the most expensive peso menu. If you only want to eat some roast chicken you pay much less.
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Please dont fool yourself that Cubans have a diet which allows a lot of variety. I have heard that in Cuba a chicken neck is much prized. Elsewhere in the Caribbean even the poor are embarrassed if thats is all they can eat...they will tell you that its for the dog. Cubans however salivate at the amount of times the necki can be used to make soup.
I've never seen chicken neck on the menu anywhere in Cuba and I know, picky as most cubans are about their food, they would not touch it.
It's true most Cubans eat beans and rice everyday. And also lots of chicken. However, they have "pulpo" (squid) on their "libreta", but they rather give it to the chicken or pigs.(when I was there they gave it all to me, and I made some delicious dish but Cubans didn't touch it) It's not exactly a destination for foodies, but that goes as well for DR, which have exactly the same food.
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Costa Rica might have sex tourism but Cubans (and Dominicans) have perfected that vice
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on the contrary, nowadays police is very strict. anyone seen with different foreigners will be questioned.
You obviously can have foreign friends, but if you have new foreign "friends" every week, police will suspect you're a jinetero (someone exploiting tourists) or jinetera (the same, but sex involved too). It's impossible to bring Cubans to their hotel rooms.
So sex tourists rather choose DR, Costa Rica, Colombia or of course philippines or Thailand as their destination. Before the revolution Havana was described as "the brothel of the us", with 10's of 1000's of prostitutes.
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Canada issued a warning for Cuba and they have their reasons why. Dont pretend that Canada bends to the will of the USA. Its that Cuba is the largest Caribbean destination for Canadians and they wish to ensure that they are aware that Cuba is only 3 steps ahead of Haiti in basic backwardness in how many live. Jamaica is as near to Haiti as is Cuba, but yet no warnings were issued. This is another popular vacation spot for Canadians.
I went many times to Cuba and lived there a while, never heard of anyone having TBC. AIDS was present, but not as much as in DR or Haiti.
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Show me ONE nation which professed to be Marxist Leninist which has succeeded.[
China, Vietnam, the soviet-Union, etc.
Soviet-Union was a world power and most Russians, etc. in opinion polls say that their life was better during these times. The demise of the SU was a tragedy for the people living there. That's why nowadays the leaders of these countries try to restore the union.
You always take the examples which are better off than Cuba, such as Costa Rica or Trinidad.
But most countries in the region actually have worse standards of living compared to Cuba. And these are toroughly capitalist, such as Guatemala or DR.
He wants to implement the Chinese system. Government still owns the big companies and the banks, but Cubans are free to start their own business. However they want to avoid that much of the economy gets in the hands of a few capitalists, as happened in Russia in the 90, with catastrophic results for the economy and living standards.
that's indeed a problem. However there are the CDR's. If it's clear the inhabitants are not taking care of their home or apartment, the CDR will question them. The same goes for inhabitants who like to litter the place with garbage.
these days the" camello's" have been replaced by modern buses. You can get anywhere in Cuba with public transport, even to the smallest village, is that also the case in the us? I remember waiting for a bus from the airport of Houston to town, I was already surprsed there was no metro as would be the case with any european city of the same size. I had to wait more than one hour, most other passanger were black and doidn't look as if they were thriving...
Where do you get a 3 course meal in a seafood restaurant for 7$? 3$ is really the most expensive peso menu. If you only want to eat some roast chicken you pay much less.
I've never seen chicken neck on the menu anywhere in Cuba and I know, picky as most cubans are about their food, they would not touch it.
It's true most Cubans eat beans and rice everyday. And also lots of chicken. However, they have "pulpo" (squid) on their "libreta", but they rather give it to the chicken or pigs.(when I was there they gave it all to me, and I made some delicious dish but Cubans didn't touch it) It's not exactly a destination for foodies, but that goes as well for DR, which have exactly the same food.
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on the contrary, nowadays police is very strict. anyone seen with different foreigners will be questioned.
You obviously can have foreign friends, but if you have new foreign "friends" every week, police will suspect you're a jinetero (someone exploiting tourists) or jinetera (the same, but sex involved too). It's impossible to bring Cubans to their hotel rooms.
So sex tourists rather choose DR, Costa Rica, Colombia or of course philippines or Thailand as their destination. Before the revolution Havana was described as "the brothel of the us", with 10's of 1000's of prostitutes.
I went many times to Cuba and lived there a while, never heard of anyone having TBC. AIDS was present, but not as much as in DR or Haiti.
China, Vietnam, the soviet-Union, etc.
Soviet-Union was a world power and most Russians, etc. in opinion polls say that their life was better during these times. The demise of the SU was a tragedy for the people living there. That's why nowadays the leaders of these countries try to restore the union.
Oh yes, the good old Gulag and the good 'ole days. Take your Red Book and go march to the unemployment office.
The problem is as out of wed lock births increased, so did the size of the black middle class. So why do people like you always cite that one statistic and not the % of blacks with college education, the % of blacks who aren't poor, or the % of black households which earn more than average? I would think that you would be proud that a nation which was easily the world's most bigoted up to the 60s (with the exception of South Africa) was able to see a large % of its black population improve their socio economic status.
And we can have lengthy debates about why it increased among poor black women. I will suggest that when black men (who had very high labor force participation rates in the 50s) began to lose jobs in the 60s due to automation, and the transfer of jobs from the core cities and out of the country, they became less able to support families. When the social welfare programs were constructed to chase men out of the house then the women who needed that help couldn't get married.
Also to say that 70% are born out of wed lock doesn't imply that 70% lack access to their fathers. I would worry more about divorce, because from what I have seen the impact on kids is way more traumatic.
You have some valid points...BUT
1. The % of middle class Blacks is FAR surpassed by the great mass of blacks in poverty--a poverty that has become a family tradition in many (not all) cases. The educational gap is the most troubling.
2. Unfortunately, say if a black woman has three children and is not married and is part of that 70%, there are at least two different biological fathers. And in general, neither pays any kind of child support. So how does the family make it and kids eat? The State. Oh, and paid for by all our taxes.
3. The of Blacks with college education has greatly expanded (a very good thing); however, it is very UNEVEN. Black Women typically outnumber black men on college campus's by a factor of 4:1. Why? Because so many of the boys had NO Dads at home, no role model they could emulate who demanded they meet rigorous educational standards, no Dad to support a hard working mother who is raising a family. So, many of those poor black boys end up in prison and not on a leafy green campus.
4. The standards to get into a traditional black college are often much lower than that of a regular college. How well does that translate to jobs when the degree is recognized as being second class? The SAT spread is very real for admission: if a regular college has an average of say 1150, many black colleges will have an average of 780. Not conjecture, its a sad fact. Of course there are many exceptional students who choose to go to all black schools but they are not the norm.
Oh yes, the good old Gulag and the good 'ole days. Take your Red Book and go march to the unemployment office.
great reply. First of all you never lived in the Soviet-Union and I'm pretty sure you never lived in or even visited Cuba. So all you know about these countries is what you have seen or heard in the very biased American media.
Let me educate you. What FOX TV calls "socialist" is actually compassionate and regulated capitalism. Socialism implies that the economy is state owned. The most successful European economies are driven by the private sector. If you want to consider them Social Democrats then that is in order, but understand that during the Cold War those nations allied themselves with the USA, and not the USSR or China. Clearly they saw themselves as being more ideologically with the laissez faire capitalism of the USA than the state owned fascists dictatorships of the USSR.
If the USA collapses there goes the rest of the world. You really don't know too much about global economics do you! Now why doesn't the Euro zone or the former Soviet Union occupy this central role?
I'm aware, that's what I've been saying to others, and socialist don't mean state owned economy it more implies ownership by the workers or where the capital assets are owned in common.
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