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I think the problem is that you put your own scenario is this conversation. The agreeing you claim exist only in the words you put in other people's mouth. Why don't you ask Filipinos and Europeans if they feel close to LA? As a European, I do not feel particularly close to Latin American cultures. Maybe that hurts your feelings, but that's the way it is. Why don't you work on accepting and valuing the uniqueness of your Latin American culture?
Your opinions are irrelevant, it has been stated as a long list of facts about the commonalities. Latin american cultures are unique, and for the most part far more interesting than Europeans. But the commonality remain.
Exactly. This pan-Hispanic stance is the result of assumptions, shortcuts, and wishful thinking. Some transpose the similarities between Latin Americans to all Romance-Speaker, assuming that is all they are. It's like saying that an elephant and a cat are closely related because they both walk on 4 legs. It's nothing but a fallacy, that may be explained by the fact they've never experienced other cultures from the inside, and also probably because it sort of turns the colonized into colonizers.
I don't think this is it is the underlying issue it seems to me they primarily identify with the Spaniard contributions to their cultures and often deny the Amerindian etc.(not everyone of course) but they aren't Spaniards and never will be and will never be accepted as such by Spaniards so they've created this BS Hispanic "we are the world, we are the children" fantasy to feel part of something big and want to lump everyone into this nonsensical imaginary culture.
I don't think this is it is the underlying issue it seems to me they primarily identify with the Spaniard contributions to their cultures and often deny the Amerindian etc.(not everyone of course) but they aren't Spaniards and never will be and will never be accepted as such by Spaniards so they've created this BS Hispanic "we are the world, we are the children" fantasy to feel part of something big and want to lump everyone into this nonsensical imaginary culture.
This is the most stupid answer in this tread so far. Latin americans denying their Amerindian heritage?
are you insane? Mexico, Peru, Guatemala, Bolivia, do nothing else than to celebrate their culture. its everywhere. All others do the same. But the commonalities with Europe remain.
Another thing, not all countries in the Americas have Amerindian heritage, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Uruguay and Argentina have low Amerindian heritage.
Cuba, Venezuela, PR and DR are basically extensions of the Canary islands, even their accent is the same.
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This is the most stupid answer in this tread so far. Latin americans denying their Amerindian heritage?
are you insane? Mexico, Peru, Guatemala, Bolivia, do nothing else than to celebrate their culture. its everywhere. All others do the same. But the commonalities with Europe remain.
Another thing, not all countries in the Americas have Amerindian heritage, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Uruguay and Argentina have low Amerindian heritage.
Read through some of these threads and you will come across posts of Latin Americans trying to downplay or disregard the Amerindian or Black African contributions to their cultures(including genetics sometimes) and bragging about a grandfather or a cousin with blue eyes etc. It's the truth not pretty but true. A lot of Latin Americans are wanna be Spaniards just as some Black Americans are wanna be Africans.
Read through some of these threads and you will come across posts of Latin Americans trying to downplay or disregard the Amerindian or Black African contributions to their cultures(including genetics sometimes) and bragging about a grandfather or a cousin with blue eyes etc. It's the truth not pretty but true. A lot of Latin Americans are wanna be Spaniards just as some Black Americans are wanna be Africans.
True in an individual sense. You can find people like that, especially if they are descendants of recent immigrants (very common in Argentina) but in general, most countries established a mestizo identity as the national identity and have for the most part been kept that way. Celebrating their hybridness as source of national pride.
But the truth is, all that colorful celebrations of indian/black heritage its just in the cultural/flocklorical arena. In things that matter, the countries remain staunchly euro-centric. In the last 70 years the US have been influencing some Latin american countries and have shifted their cultural dependence from Europe.
Panama, Dominican Republic, Costa Rica, are heavily influenced by the US and look at US as a reference point for development. Foreignness (Europeans specially)Travel to LA, and see all the cultural paraphernalia in those countries and fail to see how deep all that stuff really go into their societies. Those countries as stated before, are structurally European in their form of governments, law, religion, language, literature etc.
LAW- Until very recently no legal system in LA had adaptations to incorporate any Amerindian legal concept into their laws. And even today most legal concept spin around land claims. LA doesn't have a hybrid legal system like its culture claim to have, the law is french.
LITERATURE- Until the arrival of Magic Realism literature and philosophy in LA had been basically and extension of Europe. Magic realism is the point when Latin america shift away from the classical European tradition into its own thing. but that happened in the 50 and 60s (very recently).
RELIGION- just like in Europe the Catholic church absorbed local pagan traditions into the main core of Catholic praxis in LA. creating a hybrid of beliefs no different to what happened in Europe. But in Latin America, the church controlled almost all aspect of education, having hundreds of Catholics schools across the continent and dozens of universities. Catholic education is fairly standardized across the continent and Europe and its the main reference in educational matters. (la Salle, Loyola, Claret,) just to name a few are well known catholic education organizations in Europe and LA.
LANGUAGE- (we already talked about this.)
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True in an individual sense. You can find people like that, especially if they are descendants of recent immigrants (very common in Argentina) but in general, most countries established a mestizo identity as the national identity and have for the most part been kept that way. Celebrating their hybridness as source of national pride.
But the truth is, all that colorful celebrations of indian/black heritage its just in the cultural/flocklorical arena. in things that matter, the countries remain staunchly euro-centric. In the last 70 years the US have been influencing some Latin american countries and have shifted their cultural dependence for Europe.
Panama, Dominican Republic, Costa Rica, are heavily influenced by the US and look at US as a reference point for development.
Perhaps but that largely breaks down when many of those people come to the USA and their kids are confused as hell to be honest. They really don't know what the hell they are and settle for Hispanic.(I can't think of any other country where the term Hispanic has much significance). Even in Spain the preferred term is Iberico not Latino or Hispano.
Panama, Dominican Republic, Costa Rica, are heavily influenced by the US and look at US as a reference point for development. Foreignness (Europeans specially)Travel to LA, and see all the cultural paraphernalia in those countries and fail to see how deep all that stuff really go into their societies. Those countries as stated before, are structurally European in their form of governments, law, religion, language, literature etc.
China, North Korea, and Vietnam have communist regimes. Communism is a European doctrine since it was formulated by Karl Marx, a German philosopher. They dress like Europeans, love football like Europeans, use the metric system too. According to you, they would be European.
Let me ask this, do you consider the USA a European country in the Americas?
Perhaps but that largely breaks down when many of those people come to the USA and their kids are confused as hell to be honest. They really don't know what the hell they are and settle for Hispanic.(I can't think of any other country where the term Hispanic has much significance). Even in Spain the preferred term is Iberico not Latino or Hispano.
That's a US problem where pigeon holing is a pastime. Almost every ethnicity in the US is confused as hell and in their own little bubble.
I work in the medical field so I've interacted with Filipino doctors and nurses and also grew up in the Catholic Church in the USA so I have and still interact with plenty of Filipinos and their culture is not similar to Portuguese culture or Spaniard culture you just must not look beyond a few superficial surface similarities.
The Philipinos are very Latinized, their processions are not different from the ones in Spain, Italy or any other LA country.
By now all the Philipinos would have been speaking Spanish had it not been for the US intervention.
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