Why is Arizona SO SLOW to count ballots??? (Phoenix, Chandler: bad credit, transfer)

[frankrj]

The slow counting is quite funny.
Isn't this mainly due to allowing mail-in ballots which increases risk of fraud and doubt.

Undeveloped countries have a vote on 1 or 2 days and you know that night. It's done and over.
The reason is they don't allow mail-in ballots.
Our election process needs to be first world in every state not. Each state should not have their own set of voting laws when the person elected is holding a federal position.

[Jimrob1]

I thought by now the race would have started to put Lake in the lead, but evidently that has not happened yet. It is a very very close race though. I have to say Lake does seem to have some good policies, in store for Arizona if she wins. More actually than Hobbs. I imagine though her manner of running her campaign and her election denial, maybe has hindered her in this election. I don't know though its up to the voters of Arizona.

[Jimrob1]

Originally Posted by frankrj

The slow counting is quite funny.
Isn't this mainly due to allowing mail-in ballots which increases risk of fraud and doubt.

Undeveloped countries have a vote on 1 or 2 days and you know that night. It's done and over.
The reason is they don't allow mail-in ballots.
Our election process needs to be first world in every state not. Each state should not have their own set of voting laws when the person elected is holding a federal position.

I agree. A country that calls itself the United States, should drop this 50 states operating as separate countries format. At least when it comes to Voting and there are candidates, that are going to hold a federal position.

[FlurryCat]

Originally Posted by ncole1

Electronic ballots would be just as problematic as paper ones. You simply replace "lost in the mail" with "lost due to a technical glitch", and replace paper ballot fraud with fraud-by-hacking.

How do you do an audit of hacked data. I prefer a paper trail.

Originally Posted by ncole1

Of course the fraud is still less common than Republicans think but likely more common than Democrats will admit.

Don't both-sides it. After 2020 the Rs did everything in their power, which was considerable, to show there was a fraud problem and came up with nothing. A few people per state voting their dead mother's ballot (overwhelmingly Rs, by the way), having no impact at all.

Originally Posted by john3232

In the spirit of fairness, there were multiple democrats that funded nutjobs in the primaries in order to pick a weaker candidate to run against. About $44M worth. That pisses me off!

It was a winning strategy and as long as the Dems have the money... all's fair in love, war...and politics.

It's a symptom of the "anything goes" election funding system. Kinda like the republican-funded independent candidates with almost the same name as the dem in Fla to split the dem vote.

Originally Posted by frankrj

The slow counting is quite funny.
Isn't this mainly due to allowing mail-in ballots which increases risk of fraud and doubt.

There is zero evidence that vote-by-mail increases the risk of fraud. The idea that it does, and any doubt sown by that risk, which again, does not exist, is just part of the election-denier strategy.

Originally Posted by frankrj

Undeveloped countries have a vote on 1 or 2 days and you know that night. It's done and over.
The reason is they don't allow mail-in ballots.

Apples and oranges - Every time someone gives an example of a national election being counted same-day, they neglect to point out that ballot had only one or two races on it. Our ballots not only have the federal offices, but also state reps, school boards, water district commissions, community college commissioners, corporation commissioners, 30+ judges, dog catcher, fly catcher, and 10 ballot initiative questions. That all has to be tallied for each ballot.

Originally Posted by frankrj

Our election process needs to be first world in every state not. Each state should not have their own set of voting laws when the person elected is holding a federal position.

Not agreeing or disagreeing, but there are major constitutional and states rights issues there.

[teddyearp]

I said this elsewhere and I've going to say it again here.


Twenty years ago every voter or every voter household was mailed a sample ballot and told when and where to vote. Many folks did have a home computer, but if you carried that thing in your pocket it barley made phone calls. There wasn't the widespread polling place problems we hear about today. And results were usually in on Election night.



Now we all carry a damn computer in our pockets that is ten times more powerful than any PC you had back then and they can't count votes anymore?


Atlas Shrugged in 2020, we saw 1984 come to life in 2020. You'll see. Hindsight is 20-20 and that is the year our Republic fell.

[DetroitN8V]

Must be hard to get copium these days.

[415_s2k]

Originally Posted by teddyearp

I said this elsewhere and I've going to say it again here.

Twenty years ago every voter or every voter household was mailed a sample ballot and told when and where to vote. Many folks did have a home computer, but if you carried that thing in your pocket it barley made phone calls. There wasn't the widespread polling place problems we hear about today. And results were usually in on Election night.

Now we all carry a damn computer in our pockets that is ten times more powerful than any PC you had back then and they can't count votes anymore?

Trump and his acolytes demanded a thorough hand recount, with UV lights and microscopes to figure out if the ballots were made on Chinese bamboo paper, they basically threw every conspiracy theory that came across Trump's Twitter feed to the wall, and nothing stuck.

Do you think the fine people marching around the Maricopa voting facility claiming fraud would accept digital tabulation? Especially with so many of the MAGA politicians and pundits already demanding a recount...

Of course, AZ could adopt the same policies and methods that allow more populous states to give their results much more quickly, but, I have a feeling that the most vocal of the people demanding "election reforms" in the spirit of "protecting democracy" would have an aneurysm if AZ used technology to declare results more quickly. Think of all the conspiracy theories that would pop up around it.

Atlas Shrugged in 2020, we saw 1984 come to life in 2020. You'll see. Hindsight is 20-20 and that is the year our Republic fell.

Yup. Really is a shame what the insurrectionists tried to do to our nation.

[MN-Born-n-Raised]

Originally Posted by teddyearp

I said this elsewhere and I've going to say it again here.


Twenty years ago every voter or every voter household was mailed a sample ballot and told when and where to vote. Many folks did have a home computer, but if you carried that thing in your pocket it barley made phone calls. There wasn't the widespread polling place problems we hear about today. And results were usually in on Election night.



Now we all carry a damn computer in our pockets that is ten times more powerful than any PC you had back then and they can't count votes anymore?


Atlas Shrugged in 2020, we saw 1984 come to life in 2020. You'll see. Hindsight is 20-20 and that is the year our Republic fell.

Here is one answer.

"Maricopa is not only the most populous county in Arizona, it is the fourth-most
populous county in the United States. Press accounts at the time suggested that a dramatic reduction
in polling places was the culprit. In the 2012 primary, for example,[u] there were more than 200 polling
locations. In 2016, there were 60 vote centers. Voters could cast a ballot at any vote center in the
county – regardless of address. The drastic reduction in voting locations followed cuts to state
election funding"

From https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/..._Explained.pdf

At the end of the day, there have been dozens of changes read https://www.ncsl.org/research/electi...azine2021.aspx . Each change has an impact on lines and procedures to make sure elections are fair. Now, that takes time. And in many instances, voter lines are desired. Specifically in locations where you want to suppress the vote.

[415_s2k]

Originally Posted by DetroitN8V

She won’t make up the difference needed. 68% coming from R districts doesn’t mean she’ll take anywhere near 68% of the vote. That fails to account for independents and the many split ticket R voters who couldn’t stomach Lake. Also, Pima still has 53k outstanding ballots and thus far, Hobbs has taken 64% of that county. Lake is still selling a pipe dream to get the base worked up.

I dont think it's likely she will win at this point, though it is still within the realm of possibility.

The delusional, performative outrage - "we've won!" and refusal to say she would concede, for example - will serve her well in being a talking head for Newsmax or another right-wing media outlet. She will do what she can to stay on the national stage and maintain relevance in the Trump sphere, and whatever radical right movement takes its place, so that in 24, 26, 28, she can try again. I imagine her trying to shout and push her way into national politics after this.

Right now she's Arizona's problem; soon, she'll be the whole country's :/

[MN-Born-n-Raised]

Originally Posted by 415_s2k

The delusional, performative outrage - "we've won!" and refusal to say she would concede, for example - will serve her well in being a talking head for Newsmax or another right-wing media outlet. She will do what she can to stay on the national stage and maintain relevance in the Trump sphere, and whatever radical right movement takes its place, so that in 24, 26, 28, she can try again. I imagine her trying to shout and push her way into national politics after this.

I never thought of that POV before. But you are right, this could skyrocket her net worth. The chances of her not thinking about this are around 0%. I repped you accordingly.