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Not even relevant. Wars and Airstrikes are fought by Fighter Pilots and the army not civilians. But Again am not surprise we have much superior Fighter Pilots and their training is second to none. This is what Chuck Yeager one of the greatest Fighter pilots and a world war 2 veteran from US said on twitter not too long ago.
Q: Of all the pilots you've flown iwth, which do you respect the most and why?A: In 1971-73, I flew with the Pakistan Air Force in the war with India. They were the best in the world because they had the most experience - over 75 hours/month.
''The PAF, although outnumbered by IAF (Indian Air Force), has at least one qualitative edge over its rival: Pilot Training. The caliber of Pakistani instructors is acknowledged by numerous air forces, and US Navy pilots considered them to be highly 'professional' during exercises flying off the USS Constellation (as co-pilots). -Jane's International Defense (June 24, 1998)
''Another way in which the PAF satisfies this requirement is in the pursuit of excellence with regard to its combat echelons. Paradoxically, though, that pursuit is by its very nature an expensive procedure and there is a high wastage rate as pilots progress through the training system, with individuals being weeded out all the way along the line. The end result is felt to be well worth the expense involved, however, and personal observations have certainly convinced the author that the average PAF pilot is almost certainly possessed of superior skills when compared with, say, an average American pilot. As to those , who are rated above average, they compare favourably to the very best in a host of western air arms. ……Standard of accuracy appear comparable to those of the west and may surpass them, one F-6 pilot of No. 15 Squadron having recently put 20 out of 25 shells through a banner in four successive passes. The author can vouch for this having inspected the banner at Kamra and even more remarkably, the pilot responsible for this impressive shooting was a 'frst tourist'."
(Lindsay Peacock. Journal: Air International, Vol 41. No 5)
Our pilot Training is simply one of the very best anywhere in the world.
it was an f-16 vs a mig-21. It was a russian plane and old as crap. IF your pilots were the best in the world, they would have succeeded finishing their mission to bomb the HQ. Its another failure.
May be they could have used that training for the Army also, otherwise Niazi and 90,000 persons would nt have become Prisoners of War
Wars are won and Lost. The Fact that Out of the 4 wars , 3 have been stalemates even though India is bigger by 4 times speaks volumes as to how India is usually toothless against Pakistan.
it was an f-16 vs a mig-21. It was a russian plane and old as crap. IF your pilots were the best in the world, they would have succeeded finishing their mission to bomb the HQ. Its another failure.
It was JF-17 thunder . India is also hiding a sukhoi lost against us. SQ leader Hassan shot Mig21 and Wing Commander Nauman Shot the Sukhoi. That mig-17 Helicopter being crashing is also suspicious. Govt will be releasing the footage soon. As for the HQ we went inside broad daylight and dropped bombs in the open field despite locking in to targets to send a message. The Intent was never to bomb the HQ because there were reports of Indian Army Chief being present there.
PAF has always performed amazingly well against IAF due to simply having superior pilots. Check past Dog fights and duels.
Wars are won and Lost. The Fact that Out of the 4 wars , 3 have been stalemates even though India is bigger by 4 times speaks volumes as to how India is usually toothless against Pakistan.
Pakistan lost all of them. THey did not take all of kashmir. In fact they gave a part of it to godless communist china. They lost bangladesh and massacred millions of their Muslim brothers losing it. THey lost kargil. Pakistan can't even take out jihad groups on their own soil.
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It was JF-17 thunder . India is also hiding a sukhoi lost against us. SQ leader Hassan shot Mig21 and Wing Commander Nauman Shot the Sukhoi. That mig-17 Helicopter being crashing is also suspicious. Govt will be releasing the footage soon. As for the HQ we went inside broad daylight and dropped bombs in the open field despite locking in to targets to send a message. The Intent was never to bomb the HQ because there were reports of Indian Army Chief being present there.
PAF has always performed amazingly well against IAF due to simply having superior pilots. Check 1965 and 1971 Dog fights and duels.
Nehru wanted to disband the military. Previous governments barely funded the military or invested in new equipment. Russian equipment is mostly crap. Yet, india is still there.
If pakistan couldn't take over india or take all of kashmir after 4 wars, with american equipment, and godless communist china's support, its never going to.
Pakistan lost all of them. THey did not take all of kashmir. In fact they gave a part of it to godless communist china. They lost bangladesh and massacred millions of their Muslim brothers losing it. THey lost kargil. Pakistan can't even take out jihad groups on their own soil.
Nehru wanted to disband the military. Previous governments barely funded the military or invested in new equipment. Russian equipment is mostly crap. Yet, india is still there.
If pakistan couldn't take over india or take all of kashmir after 4 wars, with american equipment, and godless communist china's support, its never going to.
Free the uighers!
Pakistan lost all of them. THey did not take all of kashmir. In fact they gave a part of it to godless communist china. They lost bangladesh and massacred millions of their Muslim brothers losing it. THey lost kargil. Pakistan can't even take out jihad groups on their own soil.
1948 You lost half of Kashmir to us.
1965 you lost equal number of Army men , lost more than half of your airforce( PAF simply bulldozed them)and we had 300 sqkm of Indian territory under our control. All this while being much smaller than India.
1999 in Kargil a few hundred Pakistani Soldiers held of thousands of Indian Soldiers for Six Months. Your Generals are not sure if they won .
Point 5353 the highest point in kargil is still with us .
As for Kashmir they never wanted to be with you. You have hundreds of Pakistani flags flying there. To Kill a few Kashmiris with guns your army takes forever . How are you going to fight Pakistan after that ?
Pakistan lost all of them. THey did not take all of kashmir. In fact they gave a part of it to godless communist china. They lost bangladesh and massacred millions of their Muslim brothers losing it. THey lost kargil. Pakistan can't even take out jihad groups on their own soil.
1948 You lost half of Kashmir to us.
1965 you lost equal number of Army men , lost more than half of your airforce( PAF simply bulldozed them)and we had 300 sqkm of Indian territory under our control. All this while being much smaller than India.
1999 in Kargil a few hundred Pakistani Soldiers held of thousands of Indian Soldiers for Six Months. Your Generals are not sure if they won .
Point 5353 the highest point in kargil is still with us .
As for Kashmir they never wanted to be with you. You have hundreds of Pakistani flags flying there. To Kill a few Kashmiris with guns your army takes forever . How are you going to fight Pakistan after that ?
The whole toilet thing is kind of childish to harp on. Rape and sexual assault is a problem in India and the rest of the world. To call out India specifically on it would be intellectually dishonest. With that said, there are many jurisdictions in India where the investigation and prosecution of rape needs drastic improvement and police chiefs and/or judges should be losing their jobs.
I have a rallying cry that we can all get on board with... FREE THE UIGHARS AND DOWN WITH TERRORISTS!!! We all agree on this, right? I'm looking at you, Raheel and damnuluck!
There is little animosity at the individual level between Pakistanis and Indians. We are peoples connected by over 5,000 years of history. Real peace and building a future with increased trade, trust, and mutual prosperity is an attainable goal. For this to happen, the elected government in Pakistan has to reign in the Pakistani military and the citizens have to demand for this to happen. As long as Pakistan keeps providing "moral support" and allows terrorists to walk around in broad daylight, it has no credibility as a good faith actor. It is up to Pakistan to fix itself to become a truly democratic society and become a responsible member of the international community. Until then, it only has Uncle Han and their usurious interest rates to lean on.
Say it with me! FREE THE UIGHARS AND DOWN WITH TERRORISTS!!! Right?
Wars are won and Lost. The Fact that Out of the 4 wars , 3 have been stalemates even though India is bigger by 4 times speaks volumes as to how India is usually toothless against Pakistan.
In modern wars, outright victory is next to impossible. Due to United Nations and pressure from Big Brother like USA, USSR / Russia - 1948, 1965 and 1999 Kargil War were stopped for ceasefore. Still in 1971, it was an outright victory. I would say that in 1965, we had advantage. Just look at around 150 Patton Tank casualties suffered by Pakistan in KhemKaran sector. We still have those Tanks lying in varius Government colony playgrounds of children. In 1948, it was Indian upper hand the moment they entered the conflict. Kargil war we managed to free all the mountains you guys captured.
In modern wars, outright victory is next to impossible. Due to United Nations and pressure from Big Brother like USA, USSR / Russia - 1948, 1965 and 1999 Kargil War were stopped for ceasefore. Still in 1971, it was an outright victory. I would say that in 1965, we had advantage. Just look at around 150 Patton Tank casualties suffered by Pakistan in KhemKaran sector. We still have those Tanks lying in varius Government colony playgrounds of children. In 1948, it was Indian upper hand the moment they entered the conflict. Kargil war we managed to free all the mountains you guys captured.
Raheel says Kargil was a stalemate and India couldnt hold off few 100 soliders with several thousand men.
In historical context, there were bus services, peace summits going on. And intrusion was also going on simultaneously
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