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Pakistan has lots of problems. The abyss that india is heading towards under modi simply makes it much worse place than PK. Recently we fired a federal minister for his speech againt hindus. In India these days BJP will make you PM or CM the more anti-minority you get.
In India these days you have to curse pakistan to prove your loyalty otherwise you are declared anti -national or maybe lynched by a mob.
pakistan harbored osama bin laden, mullah omar, and the taliban, and continues to shelter the haqqani network. It created jihadist groups to kill pagans and western journalists and keep afghanistan in perpetual state of war. It also killed their own ministers for speaking out against blasphemy. They even assassinated the bhuttos. the ideological minority population of pakistan dropped from 24% to 1%. The pakistan military has conducted several coups against several democratically elected governments. The nation also does not have separation of religion and state. Pakistan gave akai chin to godless communist china and baluchistan for a pipeline while fellow muslim uighers are being sent to concentration camps in xinjiang. Pakistan also helped godless commmunist north korea's nuclear weapons program. If pakistan fell apart, pak nukes could wind up in jihadist hands.
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Thanks for a level-headed response, unlike the other poster who can't think beyond his hate. Those are the kind that have no interest in a peaceful resolution.
One thing I have learned is that the 1% any where in the world has no allegiance to any nation, religion or dogma other than self-interest and they keep common man everywhere (even the supposedly more educated and worldly westerners) distracted by these polarizing nationalistic or religious ideals.
They control the media and with the help of social media, also control the popular narrative. So whether there is change of governemnt or hatred between different groups, it is fanned by vested interests. Look around the world from South America, Africa, Arab Spring to South Asia - wars, civil wars, change of govt. has hands of who control media (1 %) behind it.
Still this theory fails in developed world. Brexit happened despite media against it.
Trump won elections despite entire US media force against him.
I remember watching Bernie Sanders speech once during last Primaries. None of the mainstream channels were carrying it. Then YouTube also started blocking all the streams. Ultimately I watched it on UStream. Still Bernie defeated Hillary Clonton in that state.
My point is that people in developed world are able atleast now to resist the distracting control of media narrative, fake news, hatred - third world countries would not be able to do this for a long long time.
pakistan harbored osama bin laden, mullah omar, and the taliban, and continues to shelter the haqqani network. It created jihadist groups to kill pagans and western journalists and keep afghanistan in perpetual state of war. It also killed their own ministers for speaking out against blasphemy. They even assassinated the bhuttos. the ideological minority population of pakistan dropped from 24% to 1%. The pakistan military has conducted several coups against several democratically elected governments. The nation also does not have separation of religion and state. Pakistan gave akai chin to godless communist china and baluchistan for a pipeline while fellow muslim uighers are being sent to concentration camps in xinjiang. Pakistan also helped godless commmunist north korea's nuclear weapons program. If pakistan fell apart, pak nukes could wind up in jihadist hands.
The Supposed Jihadi Groups were created by CIA in the 80's by US to counter Russia in Afghanistan. They were even invited to White house during the 80's and hailed as heroes by Regan. Once the Afghan War was over US left the region with all the mess for the ISI to handle. Afghanistan has not recognised the durand line with Pakistan and was actively involved in destabilisation us till the 70's . It was until Bhutto said enough is enough and started to meddle in Afghanistan as a tit for tat. The ''Supposed'' support for Taliban by ISI by is because the Puppet Afghan government doesn't recognise its international border with us and wants all of Khyber Pukhtunkwah Province to itself. India has historically supported the Tajiks in Afghanistan . Pakistan as a counter supported the Taliban because of their Pashtun lineage and high ranking ISI officials being Pashtuns themselves.
So its easier said then done . Pakistan has to do whatever it needs to do to survive and flourish . You supported LTTE in Srilanka which killed thousands of innocent SriLankan's. Your PM was attacked there as a result by a soldier . embarassing .
So I don't know what moral high ground are you guys on. Meanwhile Modi making India a joke worldwide. Thank goodness for IK being our PM. There is level of sanity in us that India needs to learn .
The Latest Kashmir Crisis Proved That India, Not Pakistan, Is The Real Rogue State
Written by Andrew Korybko on 2019-03-07
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2019-03-07
The latest Kashmir Crisis resulted in a stunning reversal of international perceptions about India and Pakistan whereby the self-professed “world’s largest democracy” has now been recast as a rogue state wanting to wage a war of aggression on unproven pretexts while the previously presumed “rogue state” of Pakistan has been revealed to be a responsible international actor fighting to uphold the UN-enshrined rules-based international order that the US and “Israel’s” South Asian ally is dangerously trying to undermine.
The Kashmir Crisis of 2019 will go down in history as the moment when international perceptions about India and Pakistan were stunningly reversed. The fast-moving multi-dimensional developments that took place between the last week of February and the first week of March did more than anything else to ruin India’s global reputation (mostly through its own reckless actions) while greatly improving Pakistan’s, something that few observers could have expected because they’d been so heavily indoctrinated with decades-old outdated dogmas that they never paid attention to how much both countries had changed by the beginning of the New Cold War. What follows is a concise breakdown of the 10 main military, diplomatic, and soft power points that caused the world to never see India and Pakistan the same way again:
Military
* Pakistan Responded Proportionately To India:
Many commentators previously presumed that Pakistan lacked the conventional capabilities to respond tit-for-tat to India because of the numerical mismatch between their two militaries and the defense budgets funding them, but Pakistan proved just how wrong such superficial comparisons are when it responded proportionately and even managed to down at last one of India’s planes.
* Pakistan Preemptively Prevented An MH-17-Like False Flag Attack:
By preemptively closing down its airspace to civilian airliners during the climax of the Kashmir Crisis, Pakistan prevented India from staging an MH-17-like false flag attack and blaming it on Islamabad in order to ratchet up the international pressure against its adversary, which prudently contributed to the forthcoming de-escalation that later unfolded.
* The Pakistan Navy Detected And Deterred An Indian Submarine’s Infiltration Attempt:
Once again contradicting the international “experts” who never expected that the Pakistani military could ever pose a challenge to its Indian counterpart, the Pakistan Navy detected and deterred an Indian submarine’s infiltration attempt and therefore proved its worth as a valuable branch of the Armed Forces that’s more than capable of punching well above its weight.
Diplomatic
* Russia Expressed Its Willingness To Mediate Between India And Pakistan:
Bruising India’s wannabe-“superpower” ego and its supremacist self-perception relative to Pakistan, Russia showed that it regards India and Pakistan as equals in accordance with international law by expressing its willingness to mediate between them and even host peace talks if both parties were interested, which undercut India’s international prestige while raising Pakistan’s.
* India Outright Rejected Russia’s Or Anyone Else’s Mediation Efforts While Pakistan Welcomed Them:
The Indian Ambassador to Russia told Sputnik that his country wouldn’t accept any mediation offer from anyone if it was formally made in the future while the Pakistani Foreign Minister enthusiastically welcomed the possibility of international – and especially Russian – assistance in this respect, which went a long way towards reshaping how Russia regards these two South Asian nations.
* The OIC Slammed India For Its Atrocities In Kashmir:
The 57-member Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) slammed India for its atrocities in Kashmir despite hosting its Foreign Minister as the bloc’s official guest of honor during its latest summit, powerfully sending the message that it considers the Kashmir issue to be of premier importance for the international Muslim community (“Ummah”) and the rest of humanity in general.
* India’s “Economic Diplomacy” Miserably Failed To Achieve Anything Of Political Significance:
India had hitherto assumed that the billions of dollars’ worth of deals that it signed with Russia and the Gulf States would eventually lead to them politically supporting it when the need arose, yet New Delhi’s “economic diplomacy” failed to get Moscow to “compromise” on its joint anti-terrorist and Afghan-related interests with Islamabad just as it failed to get the OIC to sell out its co-confessionals in Kashmir.
Soft Power
* PM Khan’s Consistent Peacemaking vs. PM Modi’s Incessant Warmongering:
The contrast between the Pakistani and Indian Prime Ministers couldn’t be clearer, both in the context of the latest Kashmir Crisis and in the months-long run-up to it, because PM Khan’s consistent peacemaking statements were the complete opposite of PM Modi’s incessant warmongering ones and proved that the Pakistani leader was behaving much more responsibly than the Indian one.
* Indian Media Exposed For Being Military Proxies
Most of the world naively thought that the self-professed “world’s largest democracy” had a “free and fair” media environment, but this was exposed as a total misconception after Indian media marched in lockstep with the military by braying for Pakistani blood, even going as far as spreading regular fake news reports in order to rile up the population into “seeking (nuclear) revenge” against Pakistan.
* “Democracy” Debunked:
India staked the bulk of its international reputation on being regarded as the “world’s largest democracy”, but this untrue notion was decisively debunked by none other than its own government after the ruling party’s Finance Minister scandalously implied that the opposition’s dissent is treasonous all because they questioned the authorities’ claims after no proof was ever presented to support them.
Concluding Thoughts
The dramatic events of the past two weeks proved to the world that Pakistan is a responsible power that will fight to protect the UN-enshrined rules-based international order in the face of India’s irresponsible attempts to undermine it at the behest of its American and “Israeli” allies on unproven pretexts, leading to Pakistan becoming the champion of regional – and consequently, global – stability while India was recast as the rogue state committed to destroying it. India’s international reputation is irreparably ruined while Pakistan’s has immensely improved, both in the realms of international norms and geostrategy. India will always be important because of its location and attractive consumer and labor market potentials, but there’s no more denying that it’s now a US pawn for destabilizing the global pivot state.
The dramatic events of the past two weeks proved to the world that Pakistan is a responsible power that will fight to protect the UN-enshrined rules-based international order in the face of India’s irresponsible attempts to undermine it at the behest of its American and “Israeli†allies on unproven pretexts, leading to Pakistan becoming the champion of regional – and consequently, global – stability while India was recast as the rogue state committed to destroying it. India’s international reputation is irreparably ruined while Pakistan’s has immensely improved, both in the realms of international norms and geostrategy. India will always be important because of its location and attractive consumer and labor market potentials, but there’s no more denying that it’s now a US pawn for destabilizing the global pivot state.
I dont think that USA and Israel have anything to do in the present conflict. Infact USA has always stood by Pakistan. They have a military presence in Pakistan. USA would rather cool off any conflict in the region. Trump is more concerned about Trade Tariffs, wriggling out a better Deal before Indian elections then prodding India for a conflict.
I dont think that USA and Israel have anything to do in the present conflict. Infact USA has always stood by Pakistan. They have a military presence in Pakistan. USA would rather cool off any conflict in the region. Trump is more concerned about Trade Tariffs, wriggling out a better Deal before Indian elections then prodding India for a conflict.
The Supports Pakistan but it does not have any Military presence here. They need us for Peace talks in Afghanistan.
The Supposed Jihadi Groups were created by CIA in the 80's by US to counter Russia in Afghanistan. They were even invited to White house during the 80's and hailed as heroes by Regan.
Once you fly 2 planes into the buildings in NYC, blow up buddhist statues,force women to wear foreign bedoiun clothing like burqas and beat them, force pagans and unbelievers to wear identification like its nazi germany, keep women from being educated, harbor osama bin laden, and set up as a jihad training center for the world, you deserve to have your country turned to glass.
Afghanistan has not recognised the durand line with Pakistan and was actively involved in destabilisation us till the 70's . It was until Bhutto said enough is enough and started to meddle in Afghanistan as a tit for tat. The ''Supposed'' support for Taliban by ISI by is because the Puppet Afghan government doesn't recognise its international border with us and wants all of Khyber Pukhtunkwah Province to itself.
That has nothing to do with conducting jihad and becoming a hotbed of terror.
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India has historically supported the Tajiks in Afghanistan.
What happened to muslim brotherhood? Free the uighers!
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Pakistan as a counter supported the Taliban because of their Pashtun lineage and high ranking ISI officials being Pashtuns themselves.
Then they should have all been liquidated right after 9/11 including the ISI.
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So its easier said then done .
no, it is easy. gather in intelligence through informants. Surveil the target. Call in the airstrike. CIA has been doing it for years.
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Pakistan has to do whatever it needs to do to survive and flourish .
No it does not. It got plenty of money from the US. Now it gets plenty of money from godless communist china which sends muslim uighers to concentration camps to make hauwei smarthphones.
End jihad!
Enforce separation of religion and state like a normal country
Wars are won and Lost. The Fact that Out of the 4 wars , 3 have been stalemates even though India is bigger by 4 times speaks volumes as to how India is usually toothless against Pakistan.
I’ve been reading about these wars to refresh my memory. Leaving aside the question of which country “won” (even though the global consensus seems to be that India won them all) it strikes me that Pakistan started all of them. Granted India didn’t have to get involved with the Bangladesh war but West Pakistan was still the initiator of the conflict.
It sounds like you have a good PM finally. But “finally” is the operative word here. I hope you can keep him and the military doesn’t take matters into their own hands again. Forgive me as an outsider if I still question the secular credentials of a country that is officially Islamic, criminalizes blasphemy against that religion, and in which under 4% of the population is non-Muslim (as opposed to almost 20% of India being non-Hindu with Muslims comprising 15%). I wish your country well and I hope you can rise above the reflexive hatred of India and obsession with military might. (I also hope that India throws the BJP out of power in the next election.)
Once you fly 2 planes into the buildings in NYC, blow up buddhist statues,force women to wear foreign bedoiun clothing like burqas and beat them, force pagans and unbelievers to wear identification like its nazi germany, keep women from being educated, harbor osama bin laden, and set up as a jihad training center for the world, you deserve to have your country turned to glass.
That has nothing to do with conducting jihad and becoming a hotbed of terror.
What happened to muslim brotherhood? Free the uighers!
Then they should have all been liquidated right after 9/11 including the ISI.
no, it is easy. gather in intelligence through informants. Surveil the target. Call in the airstrike. CIA has been doing it for years.
No it does not. It got plenty of money from the US. Now it gets plenty of money from godless communist china which sends muslim uighers to concentration camps to make hauwei smarthphones.
End jihad!
Enforce separation of religion and state like a normal country
Its titled the spirit of laws - by Charles de Secondat, Baron de Montesquieu
The bone of contention is Kashmir not uighers . Pakistan is going in the right direction , Meanwhile India is becoming a cesspool of extremism and mob lynching . Save it while you can .
India is the fourth-worst country in the world for religious violence . Even Worse than Afghanistan . This is what happens when you have extremists as Prime Minister
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