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for china? new zealand is probably closer to china than US at this point.
New Zealand has a similar Anglo background to the U.S. so it's very unlikely they would ever grow closer to China than the U.S. With that said, they are more pragmatic in their foreign policy approach as opposed to Australia. Certainly, play the "what's in it for me" card, as opposed to displaying blind loyalty. Thus far is has paid off.
New Zealand has a similar Anglo background to the U.S. so it's very unlikely they would ever grow closer to China than the U.S. With that said, they are more pragmatic in their foreign policy approach as opposed to Australia. Certainly, play the "what's in it for me" card, as opposed to displaying blind loyalty. Thus far is has paid off.
I'd agree, new zealand would stay neutral. their navy is too small to mean anything. If they ever allow anyone's missiles on their islands it'll only scare the ausy
Totally off topic, I think it'd be nice if there was a kind of confederation of different autonomous parts of China and in that kind of framework, Taiwan as part of China would make more sense. I think the Pearl River Delta region, Yangtze River Delta region, the Sichuan basin, and Taiwan as some of the fundamental blocks of this confederation could be pretty good alongside a less centralized government and less power in Beijing. Then again, this might just be from Beijing really rubbing me the wrong way as perhaps one of my least favorite cities and in my view quite awful compared to Shanghai, Suzhou, or Hangzhou.
Something like this would be the only realistic way Taiwan reunifies without the complete collapse of the PRC. Taiwan will never, ever unify with the mainland under the rule of the CCP. That’s a completely fabricated pipe dream that no one will ever accept in Taiwan, and the CCP would probably cause the entire world to be flattened by a nuclear war before it would ever come to fruitition. If a very loose confederation with zero influence of the CCP on Taiwan, and no reliance on the PLA for defence were possibility some pro-Beijing KMT supporters might go for it. Still would probably be a tough sell for the majority in Taiwan, I’m guessing.
For your interest, The British and Portuguese authorities did not want both the pro KMT and pro CCP to grow in HK and Macao. The Portuguese could not stop the pro CCP in Macao but the British could in HK. The European support for Taiwan really started after the KMT won the presidential election in 2000.
NZ is like the Philipines, South Korea and Singapore or small countries of NATO such as Portugal.
They are close to the US, but don't have very strong opinions against Mainland China.
The Pan Blue of Taiwan is also not strongly against Mainland china.
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for china? new zealand is probably closer to china than US at this point.
For your interest, The British and Portuguese authorities did not want both the pro KMT and pro CCP to grow in HK and Macao. The Portuguese could not stop the pro CCP in Macao but the British could in HK. The European support for Taiwan really started after the KMT won the presidential election in 2000.
NZ is like the Philipines, South Korea and Singapore or small countries of NATO such as Portugal.
They are close to the US, but don't have very strong opinions against Mainland China.
The Pan Blue of Taiwan is also not strongly against Mainland china.
KMT lost to DPP's Chen SB in 2000.
Bloomberg reported that MA Ying-jeou will be visiting Mainland, or he could have gone there already.
Something like this would be the only realistic way Taiwan reunifies without the complete collapse of the PRC. Taiwan will never, ever unify with the mainland under the rule of the CCP. That’s a completely fabricated pipe dream that no one will ever accept in Taiwan, and the CCP would probably cause the entire world to be flattened by a nuclear war before it would ever come to fruitition. If a very loose confederation with zero influence of the CCP on Taiwan, and no reliance on the PLA for defence were possibility some pro-Beijing KMT supporters might go for it. Still would probably be a tough sell for the majority in Taiwan, I’m guessing.
Even if PRC completely collapses Taiwan is not interested in reunifying with China or enter into any sort of confederacy/union. In that event there would only be more coast guards keeping the refugees from coming. Nobody gives a **** about China whether it's PRC or under the state of civil war (which many people hope will happen soon lol) or whatever. It's a piece of **** neighbouring country full of extremely uncivilised, ignorant, indoctrinated people. Nothing more. Not even when disaster strikes China and hundreds/thousands die would you see much sympathy. People here would laugh/shrug then forget about it the next second.
That's basically how most people view China here. Oycrumbler knows jack**** because he's one of those typical Taiwanese-Americans who moved away decades ago and visits like once every 3 years or something, lol.
Even if PRC completely collapses Taiwan is not interested in reunifying with China or enter into any sort of confederacy/union. In that event there would only be more coast guards keeping the refugees from coming. Nobody gives a **** about China whether it's PRC or under the state of civil war (which many people hope will happen soon lol) or whatever. It's a piece of **** neighbouring country full of extremely uncivilised, ignorant, indoctrinated people. Nothing more. Not even when disaster strikes China and hundreds/thousands die would you see much sympathy. People here would laugh/shrug then forget about it the next second.
That's basically how most people view China here. Oycrumbler knows jack**** because he's one of those typical Taiwanese-Americans who moved away decades ago and visits like once every 3 years or something, lol.
Calm down.
With the protector-god moving out of the island, harm may happen.
There are wise people on both sides of the water, who want peace.
For your interest, The British and Portuguese authorities did not want both the pro KMT and pro CCP to grow in HK and Macao. The Portuguese could not stop the pro CCP in Macao but the British could in HK. The European support for Taiwan really started after the KMT won the presidential election in 2000.
NZ is like the Philipines, South Korea and Singapore or small countries of NATO such as Portugal.
They are close to the US, but don't have very strong opinions against Mainland China.
The Pan Blue of Taiwan is also not strongly against Mainland china.
well, the british did major crack down in hong kong of the chinese population for the longest time. there can't be any pro chinese, let along pro ccp.
macao is too small to and the portuguese didn't really care/have no ambition. british on the other hand still holds colonies from argentina and spain till this day.
there is no such thing as "european support" for taiwan ever, unless you want to count the vaticans.
for every puppet country of the US, there is a neighbor nation that's pro china acting as a counter.
Not really sure it valid to utilize vote tallies from when the conflict was minor and only involved the seizing of Crimea to the full scale war we see today. It would be better to compare the vote tallies from at the start of the war to today.
I am comparing before the war to show how much support Russia lost when it went to war.
If China follows in Russia's footsteps and invade Taiwan, then it will also see a lot of its supporters becoming neutral and neutral countries becoming hostile
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