Moral obligations for atheists (Buddhist, Adam, heaven, Buddhists)
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What is the source of that irrationality? Are they in these groups because they are irrational or are they irrational because of these groups?
They live in echo chambers where other views are immediately shut down. They also have massive confirmation bias and can only process information that supports the position they have. However, the biggest problem is our immense proclivity to tribalism, the US versus THEM mindset is still with us. Each side has a reason to avoid dealing with a valid point. The reason is often irrational, but it works for them. You will also find that many in some cults refuse to have a dialogue where there is no acrimony. Why? Acrimony and anger are useful tools to walk away or declare a moral victory. Others in these groups have low self esteem and cannot accept what looks like a defeat while having a philosophical argument.
Cults can be based on deities or on non-deities. Sometimes people tend tho ignore cults on non-deities . They fear been ostracized or canceled. Cancel culture is one of the tenets of the SJW cults.
As you know, politics is not the subject for the forum. Criticism of SJW (though I've touched on it) is not relevant here unless you are trying to link New atheism with SJW. You have been trying to force a lot of stuff that I don't see atheists doing or being upon us for the last few pages.
You'll have to give some context to such a stupid question.
Quite. Julian, do you mean in terms of physicality and character, perhaps, not to mention appearance, or do you mean in terms of rights and ability to achieve and the room to do it?
In the first respect the differences are real and should be respected and even celebrated; in the second, they ought to be the same.
They live in echo chambers where other views are immediately shut down. They also have massive confirmation bias and can only process information that supports the position they have. However, the biggest problem is our immense proclivity to tribalism, the US versus THEM mindset is still with us. Each side has a reason to avoid dealing with a valid point. The reason is often irrational, but it works for them. You will also find that many in some cults refuse to have a dialogue where there is no acrimony. Why? Acrimony and anger are useful tools to walk away or declare a moral victory. Others in these groups have low self esteem and cannot accept what looks like a defeat while having a philosophical argument.
You should recall that Arach was talking about misfits.
"QUOTE=Arach Angle;60037776]I don't know about simple, but yes, that the over all premise. In my experience in dealing with the public I see addiction, abused, accidents, and birth defects as the source of of irrational. And irrational comes in varying degrees. A sliding scale of morality if you will...." I don't even know that all people who join cults are such. It is surely false to imply that anyone who supports a movement, cause or ideal is some kind of misfit. The problem with such broad -brush tactics is that it starts to apply to everyone and becomes meaningless.
Quite. Julian, do you mean in terms of physicality and character, perhaps, not to mention appearance, or do you mean in terms of rights and ability to achieve and the room to do it?
In the first respect the differences are real and should be respected and even celebrated; in the second, they ought to be the same.
Exactly!
Btw, I am not saying atheists are in a cult. However, it is important to learn how to detect irrational behavior that is not based a belief on a deity.
I would say dishonest in church and dishonest in forum.
yet you and Trans, for instance, express the view there is such a thing as "cultural Buddhism."
surely then there is such a thing as "cultural Catholicism."
do you label those who engage in "cultural Buddhism" to be "dishonest" ?
either they are both acceptable, or they are both "dishonest."
cultural Cathollicism and cultural Buddhism.
As you know, politics is not the subject for the forum. Criticism of SJW (though I've touched on it) is not relevant here unless you are trying to link New atheism with SJW. You have been trying to force a lot of stuff that I don't see atheists doing or being upon us for the last few pages.
and yet you over and over drag into forum discussions the claim that people dismiss atheism because of politics.
that is irrational on several counts, chief among them (a) atheism is not about politics, and (b) neither is this forum about politics.
Youre a so called educator ... you should be able to do it easily. But since you can only see "with us" or "against us" you wont do it honestly.
But your last sentence is the give away. You don't care what the status quo is, you are going to fight it. that's a militant. They really are only interested in the fight part.
Non militants are interested "what status quo are we fighting."
Well put. Yes, very tribal behaviour. It springs from insecurity.
There are three reasons to reject the truth:
Intellectual, Emotional and Volitional
Well put. Yes, very tribal behaviour. It springs from insecurity.
There are three reasons to reject the truth:
Intellectual, Emotional and Volitional
Which of these do you think is on display here?
yeah ... its why he hides and tells mommy and daddy on me. He cant defend his position against any and all challenges. Its way to fable a position. lol ... I left fable in there. It made me laugh.
that why we see ...
binary thinking (yes/no)
only allowed to talk about specific deities.
certain belief that have science are not to be talk about because we are here to stop religion (that just sound political to me)
outlaw any science that supports a belief
"Its ok to believe that but just sit down and shut up so you don't get in our way." Moderator cut: Quit bringing up politics.
Last edited by mensaguy; 01-02-2021 at 06:37 AM..
Reason: Politics. Again.
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Yes, very tribal behaviour. It springs from insecurity.
