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You miss the point I was making in that those atheists offended by this are they assumed to be OK with porn as if all atheists are porn addicts.
It is a fallacy of assumption just as your post is a fallacy of assumption - but I guess it sucks to you a Christian standing up for Atheists doesn't it?
I would side with the Atheists in placing flyer's of the most obscene nature in a Christian book store - but likely they will go through all merchandise and clean up and would likely contact the authorities and claim interference with business or private property yet christian putting flyer in clothing is not considered even a misdemeanor - obviously apparent by the christian rebuttals here. So we are left with double standards as always in the mindset of Christendom.
Based on what most have posted here wrt junk mail and other flyer's, it does seem like a waste of time as this is NOT a good way of merchandising - yes IMO this is merchandising God - want to do that open a store in said district and pay the rent and fees and taxes like all other businesses and compete then for the souls of the damned - better still open up in an area where there are porn pushing stores aka sex stores.
But no that is too dangerous, so rather do it clandestinely. The point is Jesus was NOT clandestine so why should these folk do it?
Like I said I would be offended as are the atheists and I am Christian. Why? Because it makes God look cheap.
Furthermore, I believe most Atheists have not rejected God or Jesus merely the version of Them that the church purports.
No, I knew you were being a little tongue-n-cheek, I just think some of the generalizations on this thread are laughable.
And no, I am one who desires to stand for justice (PERIOD), so I will always side with the person who is aiming for the same goal....non-Christian and Christian alike. I fear there are many many nominal Christians claiming their Master's name and yet have never truly encountered Him....hence the mass murder, injustice, atrocities, etc. mentioned by others on this thread.
like I said before....its just a piece of paper.....
dont shoot the messenger, if you dont like the message..
True, it's nothing earth-shattering, but it still doesn't change the fact that it is a double standard, for Christians to assume it's okay to place their tracts in merchandise in (privately-owned) stores, but they would be highly upset to see porn or other religious/spiritual tracts in merchandise in (privately-owned) Christian stores, (or in any store, for that matter). Fair is fair, yes?
Thanks for your reply,
My lack of respect is for your religion not you. I will and do respect one’s right to belief as they want.
I just do not accept their right to try and force their religion on me or into my government. I have watched religion commit atrocities time and time again. I have a problem understanding how any person can support an organization with documented history showing millions of deaths. If I did not take this stand and let you know I did not respect a group linked to this history of genocide; I would not have much respect myself.
I don’t hate, but I do look, and watch for actions which will lead to repeated genocides. Your faith has twice come with 6 members of killing my family ancestral line due to their religious values. As a child I was made aware of these actions, and as an adult I see the same thing going on in Africa, Croatia and Serbia today. It seems to never end, and sadly your faith is linked each time to the crimes against humanity. This and the concern the next religious wars could easily go nuclear makes me feel we just can’t accept your religion or any other religion dragging the world into a death cycle.
Again not being personal, but many of the religious react like you and any belief that their religion is wrong or evil is seen as a personal attack or related to as hate. I know you don’t see it that way, but I see it in you post not only to me but to others.
If I have hate it is for needless death and blind bigotry.
I don't believe in calling anyone names especially when unprovoked.
You use the word 'bigot' a bit loosely, in my opinion.
I don't believe in calling anyone names especially when unprovoked.
Really?
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Originally Posted by Alpha8207
See, you're not what's being discussed here.
You're a rational atheist.
Back to the OT.. From the looks of it.. it sounds as if now Christianity is now on the same level of unsolicited mail. Congrats to those bag poppin' Christians. Now the rest of us are on par with Geico and Coupons.
I honestly believe that most xians that I encounter on this board are bigots. An awfully large number of xians on this board are hateful, condescending, judgmental and intolerant.
They think they're special and don't have to comply with common courtesy and that it's okay for bad behavior because they're xian and that makes them special.
I'm very happy that most of the ones I know in real life are not like this.
I don't believe in calling anyone names especially when unprovoked.
You use the word 'bigot' a bit loosely, in my opinion.
Do you believe all Christians are bigots?
Alpha, You like to read between the lines.
Bigot is an ugly word; in this situation (with the Card) it would fall under the definition of the inability or intolerance of a person to accept a person’s different values when those values have no effect on their lives. (One of several encyclopedia definitions).
In most cases on these forums and for sure in a store where the Christian would not even know the recipient of the card the atheist would surely have no effect on that Christian’s life. Actually most atheist would try to avoid Christians on the hunt, and that includes me. The invasion of his or her privacy thus would be a form of intolerance and thus is a form of bigotry by definition. This is why you see so many Atheists listing the action with the cards as being from a bigot.
The counter action from the atheist on the other hand would be reacting to an individual who had tried to have an effect on their lives which they viewed as negative, and thus their response would not meet the definition of a bigot, but rather a victim of another’s intolerance.
In my case I look on religion as being negative due to the effect it has on my life and many other lives around me. Again, it is the organization, not the people I have a problem with. My dislike as backed by real documented issues, which the church attempted to force on all non believers, and other faiths regardless of their desire to receive it. My view is not prejudice it is just being cautious.
Do I see all Christians as bigots? Of course not.
I just see the ones who refuse to let those of us who do not accept their views alone as having a problem, and if I take the literal definition they could be call a bigot.
Read both my quotes again, you missed at least one key word, maybe more.
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I just see the ones who refuse to let those of us who do not accept their views alone as having a problem, and if I take the literal definition they could be call a bigot.
But I have seen you post over and over again how you are on a mission to help rid the world of religion and religion's influence so I hope you do realize that by that same definition you and that Christian are wearing the same label, right?
Read both my quotes again, you missed at least one key word, maybe more.
Sorry.. its a Monday. Still not seeing where I missed it. Pretty sure by referring to Montana as a rational Atheist you were referring to others as irrational atheists thus .. name calling.
Again. It is Monday and I did a 15.5 hour cook over the weekend.. so the Mountain Dew might not be connecting on all my neurons and stuff in me brain.
Read both my quotes again, you missed at least one key word, maybe more.
But I have seen you post over and over again how you are on a mission to help rid the world of religion and religion's influence so I hope you do realize that by that same definition you and that Christian are wearing the same label, right?
The classic attack the victim statement.
The line between prejudice and non prejudice could be in the eye of the beholder. My mission is due to issues which do affect my life and in my view humanities long term existence. I have also not pre-judged the organizations who I work against. These organizations have a documented history of unmatched atrocities. I feel sure my goal is justified when balanced with their actions. Again it is the organization not the people I have the problem with.
I still have hope the general population is just not aware of how bad the Christian values have been manipulated by their organizations.
I have seen and been the receiver of attacks from bigots, and in my response to this behavior I have had the same question asked of me. The answer is no. My actions are a defensive action related to other's prejudices, the same is true of my dislike of religious organizations. If you attack blindly than you must expect to have a response in returned, and in my case, I don't turn the other cheek, and you will not often need to wait long for a response.
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