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Old 08-02-2008, 07:35 AM
 
Location: DC Area, for now
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According to your stated ideas here on this thread, I have every right to plant anti-theist clap-trap into pockets to save all those believers from their fantasy beliefs.

For the record, I would be just as offended in finding porn in the pocket as Christian proselyting porn - same thing. Trying in a very sneaky way to force your agenda on me.

You also seem not to respect a business' right to conduct business as they see fit. This is all about trespassing. Religion is the red herring that some here seem to think gives them the right to violate all manner of property rights. Amazing at how immoral some xtians are.

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Old 08-02-2008, 07:39 AM
 
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^No, this is about freedom of speech and free expression.
 
Old 08-02-2008, 08:00 AM
 
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^No, this is about freedom of speech and free expression.
No, it is not. Curtailing speech, or preaching, on a public road is about free speech. Trespassing and violating the solicitation rules in a private business is just that - trespass. It doesn't matter whether the subject is political, religious, or about the latest Batman movie.

I don't much like those yahoos who push their junk at a left turn, but I recognize their right to do so as long as they stay out of the actual street for safety reasons. i don't much like the self-appointed preachers in a public park either, but they have every right to do so.
 
Old 08-02-2008, 08:25 AM
 
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The thing with freedom is that it has its boundaries, otherwise it simply becomes meaningless.
 
Old 08-02-2008, 08:29 AM
 
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Xians are pretty rude, pushy and disrespectful of others for doing this.
hahaha

Love it.

Chiel gets the most ironic sentence of the day award.

LOL

I love it when this happens.

Let me ask you about rude and disrespectful:

Why is it you'll spell out every other religion on the planet except 'Christian'?

Hint: See quoted sentence above.

hehehe....love it

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My comment is just as off topic and pointless in this conversation as yours.
Man, the fun never stops.

Let me just say:

I agree 100%

I think one of us still needs to work on commandment #1:

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Originally Posted by chielgirl View Post
1. Keep your religion and religious beliefs to yourself. No one else cares.

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Old 08-02-2008, 09:02 AM
 
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No, it is not. Curtailing speech, or preaching, on a public road is about free speech. Trespassing and violating the solicitation rules in a private business is just that - trespass. It doesn't matter whether the subject is political, religious, or about the latest Batman movie.

I don't much like those yahoos who push their junk at a left turn, but I recognize their right to do so as long as they stay out of the actual street for safety reasons. i don't much like the self-appointed preachers in a public park either, but they have every right to do so.

UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION
Amendment 1

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for the redress of grievances.
 
Old 08-02-2008, 11:28 AM
 
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UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION
Amendment 1

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for the redress of grievances.
Exactly. The GOVERNMENT may not curtail or promote religion. Private enterprises may stop harassment of their customers as they see fit. Apparently, you are incapable of seeing any distinction.
 
Old 08-02-2008, 12:29 PM
 
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[quote=Alpha8207;4702673]hahaha

Love it.

Chiel gets the most ironic sentence of the day award.

LOL

I love it when this happens.

Let me ask you about rude and disrespectful:

Why is it you'll spell out every other religion on the planet except 'Christian'?

Hint: See quoted sentence above.

hehehe....love it



Man, the fun never stops.

Let me just say:

I agree 100%

I think one of us still needs to work on commandment #1:[/quote








I will say this on the atheist and Agnostic forum where I might have held it back on the R&P forum hoping not to offend someone, but if you are here on this forum and make a post like the quoted post, I am sure mine post could not possibly upset you.

I suspect Chielgril, like me, and many other non religious see little reason to respect the Christian faith or its name. We recognize there is no religion which has inflicted as many deaths or as much pain against humanity in our recorded history.

Worst yet is the history about Jesus is filled with so many errors and manipulated lies that I for one do not think he existed, and I am far from alone in this view.

That said, I see millions who died for a myth at best or a lie backed by governments and the church to control humanity at worst. Both are unacceptable crimes against humanity.

Every time I get pressure from the religious right, I have the thought of the millions killed for a myth flash across my mind, and unlike you who seem to “love” the snips, I use them to energies my desire to work with every active atheist group I can find. My goal is to end the choke hold religion has on humanity. Keep dropping those xian cards in our bags it will fuel a lot of others just like me. Oh, yes, that little lower case x was on purpose.

I for one grant you your right to believe in what ever god you want, but I don’t give you the right to push your flawed religion on me. If you find this offensive than you might see how we feel every time some religious bigot pops his little card in our shopping bag.
 
Old 08-02-2008, 12:45 PM
 
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Exactly. The GOVERNMENT may not curtail or promote religion. Private enterprises may stop harassment of their customers as they see fit. Apparently, you are incapable of seeing any distinction.

The government cannot establish a religion or church such as the church of England in order to be a recognized citizen. You are trying to put meanings into the amendment that don't apply and were never intended by our forefathers.

A company policy does not equal the law of the land.

Here is one more quote for you:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights...

NOTICE WHO GAVE YOU YOUR UNALIENABLE RIGHTS that you use so freely.

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Old 08-02-2008, 01:34 PM
 
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Originally Posted by sandgirl View Post
The government cannot establish a religion or church such as the church of England in order to be a recognized citizen. You are trying to put meanings into the amendment that don't apply and were never intended by our forefathers.

A company policy does not equal the law of the land.

Here is one more quote for you:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights...

NOTICE WHO GAVE YOU YOUR UNALIENABLE RIGHTS that you use so freely.
My creators where my parents and their grandparent before them on back to when we all lived in the trees.
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