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White America loves to ignore everything that they think makes it look bad. That's why white Americans think we should just ignore the Klan. Just ignore them and maybe they'll go away. Well, as we clearly saw in Charleston, that doesn't work. You wouldn't think it was so easy to ignore if it was your life and your family's lives that were being threatened.
looking for a few AA to agree with it like it's some leverage doesn't change the fact is largely consider offensive, and it's origins is clearly racist and racial....
1. Also this goes back to my points I already arises, right now their people in Germany who grandparents were Nazi Solders so do think it's appropriate that person telling someone Jewish it's my Germany "heritage" that would come back very weird wouldn't it?
The crime of betraying one's country, defined in Article III, section 3 of the U. S. Constitution:
"Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort." Treason requires overt acts and includes the giving of government security secrets to other countries, even if friendly, when the information could harm American security.
The CSA didn't use the American right of free speech to protest the Government.......... cause they actually try to over throw the constitutions itself. And killed other Americans.
You can be down with the CSA and be patriotic to this.....
3.CSA is heritage it isn't racism
What funny about that was the civil war was clearly about slavery Southern politicians literally said it was during that era............ it is even in The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States...
Richard Thompson Archer (Mississippi planter): "The South is invaded. It is time for all patriots to be united,] to be under military organization, to be advancing to the conflict determined to live or die in defence of the God given right to own the African" ---letter to the Vicksburg Sun, Dec. 8, 1859.
Henry L. Benning, Georgia politician and future Confederate general, writing in the summer of 1849 to his fellow Georgian, Howell Cobb: "First then, it is apparent, horribly apparent, that the slavery question rides insolently over every other everywhere -- in fact that is the only question which in the least affects the results of the elections."
Stephan Dodson Ramseur, future Confederate general, writing from West Point (where he was a cadet) to a friend in the wake of the 1856 election: "... Slavery, the very source of our existence, the greatest blessing both for Master & Slave that could have been bestowed upon us[/color]
Lawrence Keitt, Congressman from South Carolina, in a speech to the House on January 25, 1860: " African slavery is the corner-stone of the industrial, social, and political fabric of the South; and whatever wars against it, wars against her very existence. Strike down the institution of African slavery and you reduce the South to depopulation and barbarism. Later in the same speech he said, "The anti-slavery party contend that slavery is wrong in itself, and the Government is a consolidated national democracy. We of the South contend that slavery is right, and that this is a confederate Republic of sovereign States." Taken from a photocopy of the Congressional Globe supplied by Steve Miller.
Isham Harris, Governor of Tennessee, January 7, 1861, (Messages of the Governors of Tennessee, p. 255); "The systematic, wanton, and long continued agitation of the slavery question[COLOR="rgb(75, 0, 130)"][/color], with the actual and threatened aggressions of the Northern States and a portion of their people, upon the well-defined constitutional rights of the Southern citizens; the rapid growth and increase, in all the elements of power, of a purely sectional party,...
Henry M. Rector, Governor of Arkansas, March 2, 1861, Arkansas Secession Convention, p. 4 "The area of slavery must be extended correlative with its antagonism, or it will be put speedily in the 'course of ultimate extinction.'.... The extension of slavery is the vital point of the whole controversy between the North and the South.. .Amendments to the federal constitution are urged by some as a panacea for all the ills that beset us. That instrument is amply sufficient as it now stands, for the protection of Southern rights, if it was only enforced. The South wants practical evidence of good faith from the North, not mere paper agreements and compromises. They believe slavery a sin, we do not, and there lies the trouble."
G. T. Yelverton, of Coffee County, Alabama, speaking to the Alabama Secession Convention on January 25, 1861: The question of Slavery is the rock upon which the Old Government split: it is the cause of secession."
Alfred P. Aldrich, South Carolina legislator from Barnwell: "If the Republican party with its platform of principles, the main feature of which is the abolition of slavery and, therefore, the destruction of the South, carries the country at the next Presidential election, shall we remain in the Union, or form a separate Confederacy? This is the great, grave issue. It is not who shall be President[/color], it is not which party shall rule --- it is a question of political and social existence." [Steven Channing, Crisis of Fear, pp. 141-142.]
From the Confederate Constitution:
Section 9, Paragraph 4: "No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed."
Article IV, Section 3, Paragraph 3: "The Confederate States may acquire new territory . . . In all such territory, the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected by Congress and the territorial government."
From the Georgia Constitution of 1861:"The General Assembly shall have no power to pass laws for the emancipation of slaves." (This is the entire text of Article 2, Sec. VII, Paragraph 3.)
From the Alabama Constitution of 1861: "No slave in this State shall be emancipated by any act done to take effect in this State, or any other country.[/color]" (This is the entire text of Article IV, Section 1 (on slavery).)
"If slavery be a sin, it is not yours. It does not rest on your action for its origin, on your consent for its existence. It is a common law right to property in the service of man; its origin was Divine decree.
~Davis
"African slavery, as it exists in the United States, is a moral, a social, and a political blessing." ~Davis
"My own convictions as to negro slavery are strong. It has its evils and abuses...We recognize the negro as God and God's Book and God's Laws, in nature, tell us to recognize him - our inferior, fitted expressly for servitude...You cannot transform the negro into anything one-tenth as useful or as good as what slavery enables them to be."
Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union,.....
Georgia Declaration
The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery. They have endeavored to weaken our security, to disturb our domestic peace and tranquility, and persistently refused to comply with their express constitutional obligations to us in reference to that property,....
...... Our confederates, with punic faith, shield and give sanctuary to all criminals [runaway slaves] who seek to deprive us of this property or who use it to destroy us......
Texas Declaration
We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable
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The Cornerstone Speech by Alexander Stephens The Confederate Vice President himself
"The new Constitution has put at rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institutions—African slavery as it exists among us—the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson, in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old Constitution were, that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with; but the general opinion of the men of that day was, that, somehow or other, in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away... Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the idea of a Government built upon it—when the "storm came and the wind blew, it fell."
Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition.
. . . look with confidence to the ultimate universal acknowledgement of the truths upon which our system rests? It is the first government ever instituted upon the principles in strict conformity to nature, and the ordination of Providence, in furnishing the materials of human society. Many governments have been founded upon the principle of the subordination and serfdom of certain classes of the same race; such were and are in violation of the laws of nature. Our system commits no such violation of nature's laws."
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White America loves to ignore everything that they think makes it look bad. That's why white Americans think we should just ignore the Klan. Just ignore them and maybe they'll go away. Well, as we clearly saw in Charleston, that doesn't work. You wouldn't think it was so easy to ignore if it was your life and your family's lives that were being threatened.
Don't make this about White America, that's what the CSA flag waivers want,
BREAKING NEWS! A major news survey has found that 95% of the people who do not like the Confederate Battle Flag are Muslims, gays, or lesbians!!! I'm not judging, jest reporting.
Really oh this is interesting.....interesting indeed.
1. The Southern states of the Confederacy along with Kentucky, Missouri, Maryland and Delaware could have easily continued with their slavery after Abraham Lincoln was elected President in 1860. In fact, Lincoln said, "I don't plan to end slavery, just to contain it."
2. In 1860. Tennessee Senator Andrew Johnson, who later became Vice President and President, said that the slave states were foolish to leave the union because the U.S. Constitution protected slavery. He was right. If the slave states had stayed in the Union, they could have continued as they were and a Civil War could have been avoided.
3. The reason the southern states left the union is because with slavery "contained" as Lincoln stated, the value of their slaves would go down. How?, you ask. The history of the south had been that the planter class of slaves owners would always move west into new territory which the Indians ceded. These new lands gave opportunities for more plantations and thus a demand for additional slaves. However, if New Mexico, Kansas and Arizona were prohibited from having slaves the slave owners had no place new to sell their slaves and thus the value of their slaves would go down. Unfortunately they chose to fight a war which led to the loss of life of over 500,000 soldiers rather than loose some of their wealth.
4. The state governments of the south were financed almost exclusively by slave taxes paid by the planter class. The government officials had an incentive to keep the value of slaves up in order to keep the tax revenues up.
A lot of Americans have the idea that Lincoln and all of the Northern states changed the law and ended slavery therefore, the Southern states succeededfrom the Union. That is wrong. That didn't happen until a Constitutional Amendment was passed after the Civil War was over.
In fact, Abraham Lincoln was so afraid that he would loose the election of 1864 because the War was unpopular and he thought he might be perceived as being the captive of the abolitionists, he replaced his Vice President with Andrew Johnson, a Democrat and former slave owner from Tennessee. This had huge consequences after Lincoln's assassination, as Johnson made decisions which set back the Civil Rights of blacks in the south which weren't changed till almost 100 years later in the 1950's and 60's.
Personally, I think it is worthwhile to keep history alive. If we forget our history, we are doomed to repeat it. With the massive ignorance of our country's history, Stone Mountain serves a purpose if nothing else to bring an awareness of what happened 150 years ago. Too many people in this country have the idea that the normal condition of the world is tranquility and like a day at Disney. A thorough knowledge of history will end that quickly.
There was a certain group of people noticeably absent from this rally. I guess some agendas are more important than others. These poor confederate guys dont even know who their true enemy is lol. Its not black people.....yep. Blacks have no power. Its funny to see a group of people claim they are powerless and use a truly powerless group to push their agenda, while they themselves hide in the shadows. Sips tea.
It's hilarious that you refuse to address any of the points I have made to contradict your statements AND resort to name calling, but call me the child. I've made some pretty important points on the issue, to which you respond with a sarcastic "OK". Point taken, you have nothing else to add! And it is for this reason that ignorant celebration of hate through the Confederate Flag will continue - people like you will never admit when you're wrong, but also don't have the ability to defend your position. Just keep screaming "It's heritage, not hate!", tell everybody who is offended they are too PC and wrong, and make yourself feel better.
If I were you I would pay her no mind. Allow her to bury herself in her own ignorance. One day it will bite her.
1. The Southern states of the Confederacy along with Kentucky, Missouri, Maryland and Delaware could have easily continued with their slavery after Abraham Lincoln was elected President in 1860. In fact, Lincoln said, "I don't plan to end slavery, just to contain it."
2. In 1860. Tennessee Senator Andrew Johnson, who later became Vice President and President, said that the slave states were foolish to leave the union because the U.S. Constitution protected slavery. He was right. If the slave states had stayed in the Union, they could have continued as they were and a Civil War could have been avoided.
3. The reason the southern states left the union is because with slavery "contained" as Lincoln stated, the value of their slaves would go down. How?, you ask. The history of the south had been that the planter class of slaves owners would always move west into new territory which the Indians ceded. These new lands gave opportunities for more plantations and thus a demand for additional slaves. However, if New Mexico, Kansas and Arizona were prohibited from having slaves the slave owners had no place new to sell their slaves and thus the value of their slaves would go down. Unfortunately they chose to fight a war which led to the loss of life of over 500,000 soldiers rather than loose some of their wealth.
4. The state governments of the south were financed almost exclusively by slave taxes paid by the planter class. The government officials had an incentive to keep the value of slaves up in order to keep the tax revenues up.
A lot of Americans have the idea that Lincoln and all of the Northern states changed the law and ended slavery therefore, the Southern states succeededfrom the Union. That is wrong. That didn't happen until a Constitutional Amendment was passed after the Civil War was over.
In fact, Abraham Lincoln was so afraid that he would loose the election of 1864 because the War was unpopular and he thought he might be perceived as being the captive of the abolitionists, he replaced his Vice President with Andrew Johnson, a Democrat and former slave owner from Tennessee. This had huge consequences after Lincoln's assassination, as Johnson made decisions which set back the Civil Rights of blacks in the south which weren't changed till almost 100 years later in the 1950's and 60's.
Personally, I think it is worthwhile to keep history alive. If we forget our history, we are doomed to repeat it. With the massive ignorance of our country's history, Stone Mountain serves a purpose if nothing else to bring an awareness of what happened 150 years ago. Too many people in this country have the idea that the normal condition of the world is tranquility and like a day at Disney. A thorough knowledge of history will end that quickly.
It would be worthwhile if you really understood it. The Republican party was for the abolition of slavery. The North and West elected a president who wasn't even on the ballot in the seceding states. Northerners applauded when John Y. Brown committed treason (for which he was convicted and hanged) by attacking a federal weapons depot at Harper's Ferry in October 1859 for the express purpose of arming slaves to murder southerners. They feared another Nate Turner Rebellion. The agitation had been going on for 40 years and they didn't trust the North and felt dis-enfranchised. The same could be said about how the North felt about the South with the Dred Scott decision which basically allowed slavery anywhere and the Kansas-Nebraska Act which undermined the Missouri Compromise which supposedly solved the issue in 1821. Both sides were trying to force their viewpoints on the other.
As for Johnson, you really have no clue at all. He was being generous as Lincoln proposed before he was assassinated. He was impeached because he didn't follow the desires of the Radical Republicans. The Congress reversed his decisions about re-admitting states. With the election of US Grant, the Radical Republican agenda was followed in the south. Your comment about Johnson setting back Civil Rights when he was gone by 1868 and relatively powerless before that demonstrates your lack of understanding about Johnson and Reconstruction.
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