Buckhead’s Darlington apartment tower marketed for sale (Atlanta, Dallas: living in, vs)

[mattbasically]

Originally Posted by ShenardL

It's more like 3 (Buckhead, Perimeter Center, Cumberland) vs 1. You can say Houston's Galleria is similar to Buckhead, but which area would match the office space and skyline of the perimeter area/Sandy Springs in Houston?

Not sure if we're talking purely in town, but i'd say The Woodlands, Greenway Plaza, and maybe (maybe [maybe]) even Greenspoint could be up there...

[mattbasically]

Originally Posted by ShenardL

It's more like 3 (Buckhead, Perimeter Center, Cumberland) vs 1. You can say Houston's Galleria is similar to Buckhead, but which area would match the office space and skyline of the perimeter area/Sandy Springs in Houston?

DFW could have a few too, if you think about Addison, Las Colinas, etc

[ShenardL]

Originally Posted by mattbasically

Not sure if we're talking purely in town, but i'd say The Woodlands, Greenway Plaza, and maybe (maybe [maybe]) even Greenspoint could be up there...

They don't really have the skylines.

Perimeter Center:


Cumberland:

[MichiganderTexan]

Originally Posted by ShenardL

They don't really have the skylines.

Perimeter Center:


Cumberland:

Plano and Frisco definitely have semi skylines and office buildings as does Irving/Las Colinas. If anything DFW has far more office space and a larger number of edge cities than Atlanta. Not to mention Fort Worth has an entire downtown of its own, Uptown Dallas has one as well as Downtown. That's 5 skylines and 6 different areas that are major job centers.

[testa50]

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Dallas has 310 million SF compared with Atlanta's 230 million. Makes sense, given the difference in size between the two.

Both cities are considered "20/20" cities. 20% vacancy rate (high) and $20/SF (low). The latter number has of course increased a bit in recent years, but they're generally seen as pretty commoditized, low-margin office markets.

My personal impression is that Atlanta's skylines for all of the comparable areas are more impressive, since Atlanta's high rise districts are clustered in relatively small bits of land. In Dallas, they're super spread out even within the same district, so you basically encounter a string of high rises adjacent to the same interstate over a few miles. Perimeter Center is definitely the more Dallas-looking of Atlanta's "edge cities" (I don't even think it's an edge city anymore, since there's a solid 20 miles of suburb beyond it!).

Dallas has a ton more office space very far from the center, like in Plano, a full 20 miles from downtown, whereas Atlanta's big districts are all within 10-12 miles of downtown. Again, larger city with more developable land.

[MichiganderTexan]

Originally Posted by testa50

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Dallas has 310 million SF compared with Atlanta's 230 million. Makes sense, given the difference in size between the two.

Both cities are considered "20/20" cities. 20% vacancy rate (high) and $20/SF (low). The latter number has of course increased a bit in recent years, but they're generally seen as pretty commoditized, low-margin office markets.

My personal impression is that Atlanta's skylines for all of the comparable areas are more impressive, since Atlanta's high rise districts are clustered in relatively small bits of land. In Dallas, they're super spread out even within the same district, so you basically encounter a string of high rises adjacent to the same interstate over a few miles. Perimeter Center is definitely the more Dallas-looking of Atlanta's "edge cities" (I don't even think it's an edge city anymore, since there's a solid 20 miles of suburb beyond it!).

Dallas has a ton more office space very far from the center, like in Plano, a full 20 miles from downtown, whereas Atlanta's big districts are all within 10-12 miles of downtown. Again, larger city with more developable land.

I agree with everything you've said in this post

[DabOnEm]

Originally Posted by ShenardL

It's more like 3 (Buckhead, Perimeter Center, Cumberland) vs 1. You can say Houston's Galleria is similar to Buckhead, but which area would match the office space and skyline of the perimeter area/Sandy Springs in Houston?



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Thats easy. For Houston outside of downtown, there is the Texas Medical Center (has added much office space), Uptown, Greenway, Greenspoint, The Woodlands, and the Energy Corridor. Houston has more skylines than Atl which makes sense because there is more office space there.

For DFW outside downtown Dallas and Fort Worth, there's the Telecom Corridor, Legacy Plano, and Las Colinas.

And you mentioned Seattle with Bellevue earlier but you have to remember Tacoma is only 20 miles away or so with its own sizeable downtown.

[ShenardL]

Originally Posted by MichiganderTexan

Plano and Frisco definitely have semi skylines and office buildings as does Irving/Las Colinas. If anything DFW has far more office space and a larger number of edge cities than Atlanta. Not to mention Fort Worth has an entire downtown of its own, Uptown Dallas has one as well as Downtown. That's 5 skylines and 6 different areas that are major job centers.

None of those look impressive outside of the middle photo (Irving) and the last photo (which is Uptown Dallas).

Uptown vs Midtown (Midtown wins)
Irving vs Buckhead (Buckhead wins)
Dallas #3 vs Sandy Springs (Sandy Springs wins)
Dallas #4 vs Cumberland (Cumberland wins)

Outside of downtown Atlanta.

Midtown:


Buckhead:



Sandy Springs:


Cumberland:

[DabOnEm]

So are we just going to not believe Downtown Fort Worth exists here? The Dallas metro division is not as big as metro Atlanta. Now compare ATL to Houston whose metro revolves around it similar to Atlanta. Houston has more skylines. Downtown Houston alone is Downtown + Midtown Atlanta put together in terms of office space.

[Prickly Pear]

Can’t get anywhere in the Atlanta subforum without people butting in about Texas. This is a thread about two Atlanta districts. Remind me why I’m supposed to care about Dallas or Houston? Go back to the Texas subforums y’all are lost.