Delta Airlines cuts ties with the NRA, angers, alienates conservatives, risks major state tax break (Atlanta: activity, rapes)

[Chevalier de Saint-George]

Born 2 Roll, I don't consider myself liberal or conservative but it's foolish, dumb, ignorant, and very myopic to not want the best for your state because of fear. Who cares, would these morons want most Georgians working low-end jobs or would they rather have better options. What Cagle did was just stupid, I read that NRA members could have just joined another organization that gets discounted flights but these people wanted to be entertained....who cares if it backfires. I don't understand most Southern conservatives.

[aries4118]

Originally Posted by Born 2 Roll

Atlanta's own Delta Airlines' disassociation with the National Rifle Association in the wake of the Parkland, Florida school shooting has angered and even alienated many conservatives and Second Amendment advocates, including here in Georgia where Delta's corporate headquarters is located near Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport.

Amongst the conservatives and Second Amendment advocates who have been angered by Delta's disassociation with the NRA is former Georgia state Senator and 2018 candidate for Georgia Lt. Governor, Rick Jeffares of McDonough/Locust Grove in Henry County who is calling on the Georgia Legislature to retaliate against Delta by rejecting Delta's request for a $40 million state tax break on fuel.

From Charlie Harper, lead publisher of GeorgiaPol.com:


"Delta: We Don’t Need The NRA; Jeffares: Delta Doesn’t Need A Tax Break" (GeorgiaPol.com)
https://www.georgiapol.com/2018/02/2...eed-tax-break/


From state political reporter Greg Bluestein of the Atlanta Journal Constitution:


"Delta severs ties with NRA, risking lucrative state tax break" (Atlanta Journal-Constitution)
https://www.myajc.com/news/state--re...vofT04wPL76YL/

Georgia Violated Delta's First Amendment Rights
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...nt-rights.html

[Born 2 Roll]

Originally Posted by 80s_kid

Born 2 Roll, I don't consider myself liberal or conservative but it's foolish, dumb, ignorant, and very myopic to not want the best for your state because of fear. Who cares, would these morons want most Georgians working low-end jobs or would they rather have better options.

Yeah, I certainly agree with those sentiments that it is extremely short-sighted to not want the best for the state economically because of fear of what may happen politically.

But to the conservative OTP Georgians who don't want corporations like Delta and (especially) Amazon to execute massive expansions in Atlanta, many of them really don't care about the overall positive impact on the state's economy because many residents (particularly out in isolated rural areas) may not always directly feel the positive impacts from the economic expansions that continue to happen in Atlanta.

Add in the anxiety of outer-suburban, exurban and rural conservatives about how the ongoing economic expansion in Atlanta can, and likely will, further add to the ongoing demographic changes that are in progress around the Atlanta region and you have the motivation for many deeply conservative exurban and rural residents to want to push back against an Atlanta-based economic expansion that they feel both saps their economic prospects and political strength. To them, economic expansion in metro Atlanta comes at the expense of their rural and exurban political and economic power.

Many (though definitely not all) outer-suburban, exurban and rural residents look at the economic expansion in Atlanta and see a future in Georgia that looks like the present in such states as Illinois, New York, Maryland and even Virginia where population growth in urban areas has led to the dominance of progressive urban and metropolitan interests in those states' political climates at the expense of conservative rural interests.

Originally Posted by 80s_kid

What Cagle did was just stupid, I read that NRA members could have just joined another organization that gets discounted flights but these people wanted to be entertained....who cares if it backfires. I don't understand most Southern conservatives.

I agree that what Casey Cagle did was certainly not helpful to the state's economic prospects.

But Casey Cagle was actually pushing for the Delta fuel tax exemption to be voted on and passed through the Georgia Senate but could not get the support of the Republican senate caucus to vote on the larger tax cut that was pending with the fuel tax exemption for Delta after Delta had announced that it was dropping discounts for NRA members, which many (if not a majority) of Georgia state legislators either are or are aligned with through other even more pro-gun organizations.

(...To run for office as a Republican in politically deep-red states like Georgia, one often must be aligned strongly with the NRA and/or other pro-gun groups that are further to the right on the political/cultural/social spectrum than the NRA... Being pro-gun pretty much is a pre-requisite for a successful career in Republican politics at the state level in most red states, including Georgia.)

Georgia Republican state Senator and fellow gubernatorial candidate Michael Williams of Cumming, who just absolutely detests and despises and hates Cagle with every fiber in his being and viciously attacks Cagle every day to his face in the well of the Georgia Senate, has attested that Cagle was pushing for the Georgia Senate to vote on the state income tax cuts with the Delta fuel tax exemption attached to them, but could not get the Georgia Senate Republican caucus to vote on the tax cuts with the fuel tax exemption attached to them after Delta announced their disassociation with the NRA.

So Cagle, knowing that he did not have the support of the Senate Republican caucus to push through the state income tax cuts with the Delta fuel tax exemption attached to them, had the Delta fuel tax exemption ripped out of the state income tax cut bill and announced on Twitter that he would not support the passage of any tax cut bill with the Delta fuel tax exemption in it until Delta reinstates discounts for NRA members.

Cagle, who generally pretty much is the corporate community's hand-picked candidate for the 2018 Georgia gubernatorial race, took the public stance against Delta as a way of attempting to outmaneuver a disruptive hard-right Trump-style Republican gubernatorial candidate like Michael Williams, whom Cagle and Georgia legislative leadership knew would run with this Delta/NRA issue and use it to appeal to the GOP's base of social conservatives if a business-oriented moderate like Cagle did not get to it first.

Cagle basically took this public stand against Delta over their disassociation with the NRA as a way of outmaneuvering a hard-right Trump-style business-averse candidate like Williams (who would go on an active public campaign against corporations like Delta and Amazon if given the opportunity after rising in the polls) and to firm up support from the Georgia Republican Party's base of social conservative voters who have not always been truly comfortable with a candidate and politician like Cagle whom see view as being too moderate.

[-thomass]

Cagle:

"We cannot continue to allow large companies to treat conservatives differently than other customers, employees and partners," Cagle wrote in an opinion piece published by The Atlanta Journal-Constitution. "The voters who elected us and believe strongly in our rights and liberties expect and deserve no less."

I can’t believe this guy is an actual elected official.

[-thomass]

Another GOP candidate for governor, Secretary of State Brian Kemp, even suggested using the estimated $38 million the state would save by killing jet fuel tax break to pay for a tax-free "holiday" on purchases of guns and ammunition.

Can. You. Guys. Please. Stop. Talking.

[Saintmarks]

Originally Posted by Born 2 Roll

Yeah, I certainly agree with those sentiments that it is extremely short-sighted to not want the best for the state economically because of fear of what may happen politically.

But to the conservative OTP Georgians who don't want corporations like Delta and (especially) Amazon to execute massive expansions in Atlanta, many of them really don't care about the overall positive impact on the state's economy because many residents (particularly out in isolated rural areas) may not always directly feel the positive impacts from the economic expansions that continue to happen in Atlanta.

Add in the anxiety of outer-suburban, exurban and rural conservatives about how the ongoing economic expansion in Atlanta can, and likely will, further add to the ongoing demographic changes that are in progress around the Atlanta region and you have the motivation for many deeply conservative exurban and rural residents to want to push back against an Atlanta-based economic expansion that they feel both saps their economic prospects and political strength. To them, economic expansion in metro Atlanta comes at the expense of their rural and exurban political and economic power.

Many (though definitely not all) outer-suburban, exurban and rural residents look at the economic expansion in Atlanta and see a future in Georgia that looks like the present in such states as Illinois, New York, Maryland and even Virginia where population growth in urban areas has led to the dominance of progressive urban and metropolitan interests in those states' political climates at the expense of conservative rural interests.



I agree that what Casey Cagle did was certainly not helpful to the state's economic prospects.

But Casey Cagle was actually pushing for the Delta fuel tax exemption to be voted on and passed through the Georgia Senate but could not get the support of the Republican senate caucus to vote on the larger tax cut that was pending with the fuel tax exemption for Delta after Delta had announced that it was dropping discounts for NRA members, which many (if not a majority) of Georgia state legislators either are or are aligned with through other even more pro-gun organizations.

(...To run for office as a Republican in politically deep-red states like Georgia, one often must be aligned strongly with the NRA and/or other pro-gun groups that are further to the right on the political/cultural/social spectrum than the NRA... Being pro-gun pretty much is a pre-requisite for a successful career in Republican politics at the state level in most red states, including Georgia.)

Georgia Republican state Senator and fellow gubernatorial candidate Michael Williams of Cumming, who just absolutely detests and despises and hates Cagle with every fiber in his being and viciously attacks Cagle every day to his face in the well of the Georgia Senate, has attested that Cagle was pushing for the Georgia Senate to vote on the state income tax cuts with the Delta fuel tax exemption attached to them, but could not get the Georgia Senate Republican caucus to vote on the tax cuts with the fuel tax exemption attached to them after Delta announced their disassociation with the NRA.

So Cagle, knowing that he did not have the support of the Senate Republican caucus to push through the state income tax cuts with the Delta fuel tax exemption attached to them, had the Delta fuel tax exemption ripped out of the state income tax cut bill and announced on Twitter that he would not support the passage of any tax cut bill with the Delta fuel tax exemption in it until Delta reinstates discounts for NRA members.

Cagle, who generally pretty much is the corporate community's hand-picked candidate for the 2018 Georgia gubernatorial race, took the public stance against Delta as a way of attempting to outmaneuver a disruptive hard-right Trump-style Republican gubernatorial candidate like Michael Williams, whom Cagle and Georgia legislative leadership knew would run with this Delta/NRA issue and use it to appeal to the GOP's base of social conservatives if a business-oriented moderate like Cagle did not get to it first.

Cagle basically took this public stand against Delta over their disassociation with the NRA as a way of outmaneuvering a hard-right Trump-style business-averse candidate like Williams (who would go on an active public campaign against corporations like Delta and Amazon if given the opportunity after rising in the polls) and to firm up support from the Georgia Republican Party's base of social conservative voters who have not always been truly comfortable with a candidate and politician like Cagle whom see view as being too moderate.

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[-thomass]

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[brownhornet]

Originally Posted by -thomass

Cagle:



I can’t believe this guy is an actual elected official.

It's the south...are you really surprised?

[Iconographer]

Originally Posted by brownhornet

It's the south...are you really surprised?

Let's not get tacky.

[paris-on-ponce]

Originally Posted by -thomass

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