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Thanks - that's some horrifying precedent right there. Medical tyranny is quite possibly the scariest tyranny of all.
I wonder how that squares with cases such as DeShaney v. Winnebago Co Dept of Social Services or Castle Rock v Gonzales which explicitly state that government agents have no obligation to protect you.
Look up Buck v. Bell which used this as a precedent. Being lawful doesn’t mean appropriate.
Governor Kemp has encouraged people to wear masks. He is stopping mandates and shutdowns of businesses.
"...The governor said the city's recent executive orders "were more restrictive than his" and Bottoms "exceeded her authority." Kemp tweeted that the lawsuit "is on behalf of the Atlanta business owners and their hardworking employees who are struggling to survive during these difficult times."
"These men and women are doing their very best to put food on the table for their families while local elected officials shutter businesses and undermine economic growth," Kemp tweeted. "... I refuse to sit back and watch as disastrous policies threaten the lives and livelihoods of our citizens. We will fight to stop these reckless actions and put people over pandemic politics...."
In the lawsuit, Kemp states that Bottoms' recent orders create "ambiguity and uncertainty for the citizenry and businesses" in Atlanta. The lawsuit also said that some restaurants have closed in the belief that doing so "is required to avoid enforcement action by the City."
Enforcing mask and social distancing restrictions, the lawsuit said, will cause people to "suffer immediate and irreparable harm." Kemp's lawsuit also notes that the City Council "does not have the power" to pass ordinances that are contrary to his orders....
At least 15 local governments in the state — including Atlanta, Augusta and the governor's hometown of Athens-Clarke County — have enforced a mask mandate after Kemp focused on encouraging people to voluntarily wear masks...."
Reopen the state far too early and then create an atmosphere where people can walk around with no masks without consequence. It's like watching what's happening with the "president" on the national stage duplicated right here in Georgia. Decisions that make no sense at all and people still find a way to justify it. It's scary. And the really crazy part is, we can't travel hardly anywhere outside of the US right now because the vast majority of the world is looking at us and calling us idiots for doing nothing to prevent the spread. We're like the lepers of the world at the moment lol. Try flying into Europe or Asia directly right now and see what happens. Why? Because of people like Kemp. We went from its a hoax to it's not that bad to it's the governor's faults for not doing more to being the worst in the world in cases to having a president that will no longer let the cdc get the statistics so people won't know how bad it is. And they're not even attempting to hide it... just out in the open in front of everyone. It's amazing to see.
Reopen the state far too early and then create an atmosphere where people can walk around with no masks without consequence. It's like watching what's happening with the "president" on the national stage duplicated right here in Georgia. Decisions that make no sense at all and people still find a way to justify it. It's scary. And the really crazy part is, we can't travel hardly anywhere outside of the US right now because the vast majority of the world is looking at us and calling us idiots for doing nothing to prevent the spread. We're like the lepers of the world at the moment lol. Try flying into Europe or Asia directly right now and see what happens. Why? Because of people like Kemp. We went from its a hoax to it's not that bad to it's the governor's faults for not doing more to being the worst in the world in cases to having a president that will no longer let the cdc get the statistics so people won't know how bad it is. And they're not even attempting to hide it... just out in the open in front of everyone. It's amazing to see.
Overall cases mean absolutely nothing it is the most misleading and useless statistic of all. You are aware of where this virus originated and how it got here? Also aware of how the shutdowns of April and May and all the progress that was made was then negated and reversed by irresponsible behavior? Whats amazing is how so many people ignore how we actually got to this point? We went from travel bans are racist and xenophobic to oh travel bans actually work (which is why you can't go certain places right now)
Covid-19 is not smart enough to know if you are at a protest, riot, or a retail store. It also isn't smart enough to know what color, creed, or nationality you are. It is clear what happened recently that got us in this situation but people won't admit it and try and make up ridiculous statements like you can't get Covid from a protest or at a Wal-Mart but you can get it from going to the beach or getting a haircut That's how ridiculous this has become. Government can't keep people from getting Covid who do irresponsible and stupid things even if they have a mask on.
And that is the reason a mask mandate is unenforceable.
People remember we were told not to wear masks at first. Either the "experts" didn't know, or they were lying to us to preserve the supply of masks.
We were told we had to stay at home and stay in groups of 10 or less with social distancing. Then we were told it was fine to gather in groups of 1,000 shoulder to shoulder, shouting with spittle coming out of your mouth. But we were killing grandma if we went to the beach.
First we were told the virus couldn't be stopped and we needed drastic steps to "flattern the curve." Now we are being told we need drastic steps even though there was no overflow of hospitals even in New York, so we can "stop the virus."
Fact is the "experts" have been proclaiming to be experts when they really didn't know. Other people who aren't "experts" at all are promoted by the media as "experts." And politicians and "experts" have been lying to us or lying to themselves.
Anybody who has been paying attention knows we have been lied to and the "experts" much of the time have little to no clue.
So there are going to be a large number of people who ignore what they are told by government and make their own decisions. And if you get 15-20% ignoring a rule, it is ineffective and you just get unneeded conflict between authority and citizens. And the reality is no Atlanta police officer is going to enforce a mask rule in these times with no support from the mayor.
And the mayor was SHUTTING DOWN BUSINESSES by saying Atlanta was in Phase 1! The lying media makes it all about masks because they know that is a trigger for people on both extremes of the issue.
And that is the reason a mask mandate is unenforceable.
People remember we were told not to wear masks at first. Either the "experts" didn't know, or they were lying to us to preserve the supply of masks.
We were told we had to stay at home and stay in groups of 10 or less with social distancing. Then we were told it was fine to gather in groups of 1,000 shoulder to shoulder, shouting with spittle coming out of your mouth. But we were killing grandma if we went to the beach.
First we were told the virus couldn't be stopped and we needed drastic steps to "flattern the curve." Now we are being told we need drastic steps even though there was no overflow of hospitals even in New York, so we can "stop the virus."
Fact is the "experts" have been proclaiming to be experts when they really didn't know. Other people who aren't "experts" at all are promoted by the media as "experts." And politicians and "experts" have been lying to us or lying to themselves.
Anybody who has been paying attention knows we have been lied to and the "experts" much of the time have little to no clue.
So there are going to be a large number of people who ignore what they are told by government and make their own decisions. And if you get 15-20% ignoring a rule, it is ineffective and you just get unneeded conflict between authority and citizens. And the reality is no Atlanta police officer is going to enforce a mask rule in these times with no support from the mayor.
And the mayor was SHUTTING DOWN BUSINESSES by saying Atlanta was in Phase 1! The lying media makes it all about masks because they know that is a trigger for people on both extremes of the issue.
Oh Geez dude.... You're smarter than this, just apply yourself.
It is almost as if this virus has been around for decades and is heavily researched!
We didn't know much about it until March or April and the more people we get in infected, the more data trickles in that allow researchers to process the information.
The belief was that the masks, which there weren't enough for the hospitals much less people at-large, couldn't protect the populace wearing one from getting infected very much.
However, the new originally unforeseen evidence is that is clear now shows that it helps people from spreading it. That means we all wear masks, so the 2% or 3% people who got infected don't unknowingly spread it to more and that has an impact on slowing down the spread society-wide.
Or we can just ignore educated people, scientists, make fun of experts, because we don't want to deal with the problem at-hand and hold them to an impossibly high standard or processing data and researching a virus before it exists in our own society and continue to do what is CLEARLY NOT WORKING and do nothing and watch more old people die.
Fact is the "experts" have been proclaiming to be experts when they really didn't know. Other people who aren't "experts" at all are promoted by the media as "experts." And politicians and "experts" have been lying to us or lying to themselves.
I don’t blame the legitimate epidemiologists, because they were trying to make predictions based upon little information at first.
I do blame our 24/7 media, both for latching onto anything potentially new as gospel, and for pushing agendas. Fox gets the blame for downplaying the virus initially, and MSNBC/CNN for overplaying other aspects.
Had this been 2021, regardless of whom was in office, it would have played out differently without the political angle of being an election year.
The shut-down was working, but we only did half of what we needed to. We threw away that investment, so it was worthless. Wasn't worthless because it wouldn't work, it was worthless because we had to do it right.
We MUST do SOMETHING to slow the spread. The biggest tools in our aresenal that is cheap and easy and doesn't involve economic shut-downs is for people to simply stop being stupid and wear a freaking mask already.
Partial shut-downs are likely also needed. I don't want them either and I would like to get to a place where we can limit where we do them.
Our best ability to limit them is to change social behavior to take this seriously.
It's not about cases anymore with the vast majority turning up asymptomatic. Take a look at the death data from DPH: STILL DROPPING.
You keep posting this, but it hasn't been true since early July. What data are you referring to? Please tell me it's not data on deaths by confirmed date, because that's is only good up to June 20th as of today. So with positives numbers up, percentage of positive up, hospitalizations up, which way do you foresee this chart continuing to go? Take a look at every state bordering Georgia if you want the answer.
The death rate is dropping and everything is fine is a false argument that is easy to see-thru.
Death is lagging statistic, compared to the time when people are infected and reporter. (ie. it takes time to die)
In other words, it takes time for infected people to spread it and then it takes time for people to battle the disease and die.
The reason the death rate dropped is from when our case rates dropped during the shut down, it is currently inching back up now that we have let our case rate run out of control for the last month or so.
It will be even worse in the future. Eventually when so many people get infected, we will eventually not be able to to keep another retirement community employee from getting the virus. Once they spread it into the facilities more, the death rate will increase. That is a lagging statistic, because those employees have been told to be careful in certain ways. However, if we let too many cases out into the public, it will become nearly impossible to expect all of these employees of a group to not catch the virus. More weak links will sprout up.
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