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I have no issue with electric cars, but the people who buy them must understand that they are likely worse for the environment than driving a regular fuel efficient car.
Furthermore the belief they will save money is also far fetched because when you consider the additional cost of the car, it will be many years(seven on average according to one study) before they break even.
Jesus, have you not read the thread? I'm tired of sounding like a broken record but you're wrong. AGAIN.
I'm not going to go over the argumetns about environmental issues, as I (and others) have done that repeatedly in this thread. But about the other, let me put it to you this way. I started driving on electricity and started saving money every month the day I got the car vs the car I traded in on it. And had I leased Leaf I would have been saving even MORE money per month, due to the lower lease cost of the Leaf vs the Volt. But, i got a nicer, more well equipped car. Consider teh cars when they are equivalently equipped and have equivalent performance, then look at costs for what you get and saving money. Had I got a similarly powerful Accord (remember, I have 280 lb ft of torque for instant acceleration) with similar equipment and the monthly cost of the car will be about the same, due to a similar street transaction price, but the Accord would still have to use gas to commute with.
Please do the entire internet a favor and stop typing. You really have no clue what you are babbling about.
Tell you what take your EV and go find a tree and hug it ok. Let the big boy toys run over your tonka cars JR. And stay out there in California with all those other EV idiots and leave car making to the ones who have been doing it for a 100 yrs. Ford,GM, Chrysler. They can run circles around your EV toasters manufactures.
Jesus, have you not read the thread? I'm tired of sounding like a broken record but you're wrong. AGAIN.
I'm not going to go over the argumetns about environmental issues, as I (and others) have done that repeatedly in this thread. But about the other, let me put it to you this way. I started driving on electricity and started saving money every month the day I got the car vs the car I traded in on it. And had I leased Leaf I would have been saving even MORE money per month, due to the lower lease cost of the Leaf vs the Volt.
Your diatribe is in direct conflict with unbiased reports that point out the environmental problems with supplying electric cars with electricity that is produced by fossil fuel plants. Heck even nuclear plants have the issue with radioactive waste.
This of course does not even touch on the toxic chemicals needs to produce all the batteries and what is to be done with them when they are to be disposed of.
As to costs, maybe in the future it will make more economic sense, buy the higher costs of electric cars today take a long time to recoup. That is assuming you do not trade it in or sell it before you reach the break even point.
You can speculate all you want that it is cheaper with best case scenarios like solar panel recharging and leased vs. purchase costs(same is true of gas powered cars).
However independent studies have shown what I previously posted.
I've been ribbed a few times for owning a Prius, but for me it's simple math that I've often shared.
I own a 1998 Dodge 2500 diesel 4x4. I need a truck, and I love this one. Great powerplant, dependable, tough. I paid $18,000 for it used back in 2004. I keep fairly accurate service records and I've found that I have to budget roughly $150 a month just for maintenance and repairs. On averge I spend around $900 every three years for tires, around $500-$750 p/year for parts and possibly labor. Parts (like brakes, U-joints, bearings, filters, oil) are expensive for a truck like this.
Fuel is (was) at the time 4.50 p/gal for diesel. I averaged 15,000 miles p/yr with that truck as a daily driver. I generally get 16mpg. I paid cash for the truck, and I always assume I'll own a vehicle 10 years.
Monthly fuel- $350
Maint- $150
Ins- $60
principal cost over 10 years (p/mo)- $150
Monthly 'cost' to own and operate truck as a daily driver- $710
My Prius is used. Paid about $20,000 3 years ago. Replacement parts for normal items are a lot cheaper. Tires, brakes (and brakes last longer), drivetrain components. Only item I have to budget for 'special' is a battery. However it is warrantied for 8 years.. But assume $3,000 after core. I average 48mpg. Pretty good. Assume $4 p/gal on fuel.
Monthly fuel- $105
Maint- $75
Ins- $55
Principal cost over 10 years-$166
Monthly cost to own and operate Prius as a daily driver- $400
I mean seriously- who cares. I cut my costs almost in HALF. I know I might have saved even more if I bought maybe a standard small gasser for say $12,000, but I like the room this Prius has. I like the design and I LIKE being able to travel almost across the state of Montana on 1 tank of gas.
It's mainly math that drove my decision then choice of design. The Prius works well for me. And I still own my truck but only use it when I need to.
Tell you what take your EV and go find a tree and hug it ok. Let the big boy toys run over your tonka cars JR. And stay out there in California with all those other EV idiots and leave car making to the ones who have been doing it for a 100 yrs. Ford,GM, Chrysler. They can run circles around your EV toasters manufactures.
Ford and GM don't make EVs?
I wonder what % of Tesla is Made in USA vs. my Lincoln (not a Wixom-made one, by the way)?
Your diatribe is in direct conflict with unbiased reports that point out the environmental problems with supplying electric cars with electricity that is produced by fossil fuel plants. Heck even nuclear plants have the issue with radioactive waste.
This of course does not even touch on the toxic chemicals needs to produce all the batteries and what is to be done with them when they are to be disposed of.
As to costs, maybe in the future it will make more economic sense, buy the higher costs of electric cars today take a long time to recoup. That is assuming you do not trade it in or sell it before you reach the break even point.
You can speculate all you want that it is cheaper with best case scenarios like solar panel recharging and leased vs. purchase costs(same is true of gas powered cars).
However independent studies have shown what I previously posted.
Charge the car with solar, and batteries are recyclable, and nothing pollutes the environment, so your claims are completely unfounded. Not too mention green stops funding Islamic terrorists. Your support of the petroleum industry are blind.
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