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How do you guys know that the plastics are cheaper than the metal in older cars? Some of the plastic used is actually more expensive than the materials in older cars. You can't tell by touch or look whether the material is cheap or expensive when it comes to plastics.
Also, safety. Plastic dashes and door panels are better in a crash than metal and wood, plus it allows for the molded in seams that are necessary for airbag operation.
The fit and finish of older muscle cars would be considered very subpar when compared to today’s cars.
As a person who really hates new cars and drives old ones, I have a list of why I hate new cars. What's your list like?
1. New cars have ugly styling. No chrome, round jellybean or turd shapes, drab interiors, playskool like plastic parts
2. Drab, poor quality paint. Seems like all cars are silver, black or grey. No bright primary colors anymore.
3. Plastic where bumpers are supposed to be
4. Plastic headlights that fog up a year or two after purchase
6. Poor visibility due to bulky pillars or severely sloped windshields.
7. Lack of legroom for taller people. Trying to drive one of those cars is an exercise in frustration.
8. Excessive electronics that are extremely difficult to diagnose, and expensive to replace
9. Plastic in the engine compartment. The extremely crammed engine is covered with drab ugly plastic
10. Many cars are fatter and taller than the classics they replaced. Yet they lack proper headroom for taller people
11. A horrible chemical smell unlike the older cars "new car smell".
12. Many newer cars use low profile tires that allow the rims to be damaged in real world driving conditions.
13. Instrument panels with too many curves in ultra cheap plastic that fades and cracks in a few years.
Very cheap plastic buttons that fall off. Lights controlled by a turn signal stick.
14. Fender flares
15. Prices much higher than they should be considering automation and materials. Parts priced in the stratosphere.
16. Plastic door handles that break within a few years.
There are probably more that I forgot but what do you think?
Oh, the problems of the rich... I have never owned a new car and if I did, I sure as heck would not complain about it.
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But it's still a paid mobile service so what's the difference vs just using your phone's hot spot?
Fleet vehicles are used by multiple people and those people may not be provided data plans for their phones. That's why you saw wifi enablement in typical fleet vehicles - trucks, SUVs, etc.
Even with the great improvements of new car interiors, especially in plastics quality and soft touch material, they are in no way shape or form have a better look or feel than my 64 Cadillac or my previous 61 Lincoln Continental, nothing comes close, no S-Class, and no 7-Series.
You can't beat the look of chrome metal trim, leather/vinyl soft to touch door panels, thick plush carpeting, heavy feeling knobs and switches, thick plush leather seats, chrome metal door handles, chrome pillars and stitched headliner material. And detail to boot with everything laid out so well.
Luxury was better designed and executed in the 50's and 60's luxury cars when every part you touch in a car felt substantial.
Give me a mint 65 Cadillac Fleetwood with rear fold down trays that light up, and carpeted rear seat foot rest with individual map lights and plush seats that are made with individually wrapped coil springs like you find in a beautyrest mattress, instead of an S-Class Benz that blends in with every other car on the road, and lacks the interior room and styling of the Cadillac.
Even with the great improvements of new car interiors, especially in plastics quality and soft touch material, they are in no way shape or form have a better look or feel than my 64 Cadillac or my previous 61 Lincoln Continental, nothing comes close, no S-Class, and no 7-Series.
You can't beat the look of chrome metal trim, leather/vinyl soft to touch door panels, thick plush carpeting, heavy feeling knobs and switches, thick plush leather seats, chrome metal door handles, chrome pillars and stitched headliner material. And detail to boot with everything laid out so well.
Luxury was better designed and executed in the 50's and 60's luxury cars when every part you touch in a car felt substantial.
Give me a mint 65 Cadillac Fleetwood with rear fold down trays that light up, and carpeted rear seat foot rest with individual map lights and plush seats that are made with individually wrapped coil springs like you find in a beautyrest mattress, instead of an S-Class Benz that blends in with every other car on the road, and lacks the interior room and styling of the Cadillac.
This is VERY subjective. Many would disagree with you. Especially comparing against modern high end luxury vehicles.
Even with the great improvements of new car interiors, especially in plastics quality and soft touch material, they are in no way shape or form have a better look or feel than my 64 Cadillac or my previous 61 Lincoln Continental, nothing comes close, no S-Class, and no 7-Series.
You can't beat the look of chrome metal trim, leather/vinyl soft to touch door panels, thick plush carpeting, heavy feeling knobs and switches, thick plush leather seats, chrome metal door handles, chrome pillars and stitched headliner material. And detail to boot with everything laid out so well.
Luxury was better designed and executed in the 50's and 60's luxury cars when every part you touch in a car felt substantial.
Give me a mint 65 Cadillac Fleetwood with rear fold down trays that light up, and carpeted rear seat foot rest with individual map lights and plush seats that are made with individually wrapped coil springs like you find in a beautyrest mattress, instead of an S-Class Benz that blends in with every other car on the road, and lacks the interior room and styling of the Cadillac.
Chrome trim - you mean the stuff that only serves to either blind someone when the sun reflects off of it, or burn the hell out of their skin when they touch it in the summer?
Thick plush leather seats - you mean the same ones that offer virtually no support and are basically like sitting in an old sofa?
Do you have hard foam furniture in your living room? Do you sleep on a hard foam mattress, and use a hard foam pillow, with beautiful leathers and cloths draped over them so they LOOK comfortable, but are actually hard as a rock?
Do you have hard foam furniture in your living room? Do you sleep on a hard foam mattress, and use a hard foam pillow, with beautiful leathers and cloths draped over them so they LOOK comfortable, but are actually hard as a rock?
I'm not trying to stay awake, aware, and held in place during manuevering in my living room. Two completely different missions, so why have them feel the same? I prefer my BMW's sport seats, even on my 2000+ mile trip to Florida and back last week. Quite comfortable and was never induced to fall asleep like those big old velour couches in the old luxury cars.
I'm glad you find them comfortable, after an hour or two I'd be squirming and itching to get out.
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