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Old 03-24-2018, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Elysium
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You are getting it backwards. The insurance companies will refuse to take on the risk of insuring self-driving cars except at a price that 1% can afford. Insurance companies are not going to pay for stupid preventable accidents like this one.
Nope you have it backwards just as the millions of musicians lost their artistic expression jobs to the DJ.

All this death trap talk just proves Stalin knew what he was talking about in relation to statistics and tradegy. In the end it will be easier to find the vault in this technology or go to the competition than fix all the 17 and 87 year old people who through pride drive beyond their physical limitations and the mechanical limitations of their machine. We are not talking about Apollo 13, that computer has gotten even faster and more powerful since this particular robot failed. Meanwhile human reaction time is stagnant
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Old 03-24-2018, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Long Island,NY
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Perhaps but your children will live in that world. Many of my generation dreamed that they would be among many astronauts only to find, no robots would do everything and more for humanity in space. On the other end of the spectrum people like Ray Charles, Louis Armstrong and Benny Goodman learned music as a trade only to find most jobs for their children lost to two turntables and a microphone to quote a recording 35 years ago. The Teamsters children will be doing something besides driving a land vehicle unless a partial zombie apocalypse hits.
I'm sorry Taiko but your comparisons are somewhat specious IMO. Your examples have no business being compared to a technology that can potentially put the public at risk every day of our lives. Also I'd be very interested to hear what the Teamster's think of all this.

Who's going to take responsibility when someone is killed or injured or even when only property is involved? Auto manufacturers? GoPro? Siemens? Intel? That's going to be some trail of liability. Or are insurance co.s going to just say you bought it you take full responsibility? No thanks.

Here's something else for you, the insurance companies and US Government to consider. Yes they will have much fewer claims to handle but the ones that matter will most likely be fatalities. When a school bus full of 40 kids is crushed by a freight train, probably autonomous, because the GPS in that autonomous school bus miscalculated or the sensors failed to see the gate, my guess is the list of names on the class action suit for the prosecution will stretch from coast to coast. Then you'll really see a battle between humankind and technology.

A zombie apocalypse sounds pretty good right now!
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Old 03-24-2018, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Elysium
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I'm sorry Taiko but your comparisons are somewhat specious IMO. Your examples have no business being compared to a technology that can potentially put the public at risk every day of our lives. Also I'd be very interested to hear what the Teamster's think of all this.

Who's going to take responsibility when someone is killed or injured or even when only property is involved? Auto manufacturers? GoPro? Siemens? Intel? That's going to be some trail of liability. Or are insurance co.s going to just say you bought it you take full responsibility? No thanks.

Here's something else for you, the insurance companies and US Government to consider. Yes they will have much fewer claims to handle but the ones that matter will most likely be fatalities. When a school bus full of 40 kids is crushed by a freight train, probably autonomous, because the GPS in that autonomous school bus miscalculated or the sensors failed to see the gate, my guess is the list of names on the class action suit for the prosecution will stretch from coast to coast. Then you'll really see a battle between humankind and technology.

A zombie apocalypse sounds pretty good right now!
The problem is that you are not starting at zero, with people you are already losing a minivan a week in addition to the monthly train wreck
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Old 03-24-2018, 02:21 PM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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I remember in the '80s when college professors warned that robots were the immediate future, and jobs for humans would be scarce. That was 30+ years ago.

Driverless technology is great but it will never replace human drivers who have feelings, empathy and quicker reflexes. As proven by this accident, there is no way for a computer to stop a 2 ton vehicle if a human walks in front of the car.

The convicted felon who was operating the Uber SUV could have prevented the accident if he was paying attention to the roadway.

If driverless technology becomes standard, the only way to stop the inevitable carnage is to prevent humans or animals from entering the roadways.
I love how first the media and now those "I'm sooo much better than those lowly convicts" went right to trashing the character of the person paid to sit in the seat and watch. I bet Uber was behind that one trying to get the focus off their responsibility.

Yep, someone who was convicted what, a decade ago and not since is just pure evil and shouldn't be allowed to work or is incompetent like the convictions had anything to do with her current job...
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Old 03-24-2018, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Metro Washington DC
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Robots will take over just about every single job, before self-driving cars take over the roads. Programing a robot to do a simple job is way easier than programming a car to drive on every road in the world, in every type of driving condition.
If they take over every job then they can drive themselves to work.
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Old 03-24-2018, 09:59 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Robots will take over just about every single job, before self-driving cars take over the roads. Programing a robot to do a simple job is way easier than programming a car to drive on every road in the world, in every type of driving condition.
That dystopia was outlined in the 1969 hit song "In the Year 2525" by Zeager & Evans.
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Old 03-24-2018, 10:09 PM
 
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How a human driver could have avoided this. It is not really that hard.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6-zxaeGRtI
Are you implying that a human was NOT driving that car?
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Old 03-24-2018, 10:11 PM
 
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All of this could have been avoided (and the pedestrian would still be alive) if the pedestrian had been accompanied by a robot that said "Hey, don't step out into traffic mid-block!"
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Old 03-24-2018, 10:27 PM
 
Location: Kalamalka Lake, B.C.
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All of this could have been avoided (and the pedestrian would still be alive) if the pedestrian had been accompanied by a robot that said "Hey, don't step out into traffic mid-block!"
What was a bicycle rideer dioing on the media and then suddenly dashing into oncoming traffic?? In the dark and assuming in a 45 mile an hour zone, as per the video, that any vehicle and of any kind can see you and is going to stop for you??? The obligation is on you crossing what is a fast highway on a dark night to be aware. Sadness because there was a death as a result, but it's not ALL on the idiot riding the Ubrer car and the tech.

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Old 03-24-2018, 11:46 PM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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Are you implying that a human was NOT driving that car?
Nobody was driving the car. The human was half asleep, and paying no attention whatsoever. Which is not conduct that should be encouraged, with these so called "driverless cars".
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