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Old 05-27-2018, 08:35 AM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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The litigation against WR Grace was successful but bankrupted the successful attorney. Basically, a Pyrrhic victory.

It will be impossible for us to predict what will happen when AI takes to the road. Don't forget that speed and freedom on our roads is what is selling cars today. Americans will not be quick to give up what they consider their 'rights'. As the manufacturers gear up for AI there will be winners and losers. It is hard to say how Madison Ave will deal with the changes.



This is apples and oranges and too many variables.
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Old 05-27-2018, 08:30 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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It will be impossible for us to predict what will happen when AI takes to the road. Don't forget that speed and freedom on our roads is what is selling cars today. Americans will not be quick to give up what they consider their 'rights'. As the manufacturers gear up for AI there will be winners and losers. It is hard to say how Madison Ave will deal with the changes.
Very good point!
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Old 05-27-2018, 09:11 PM
 
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It will be impossible for us to predict what will happen when AI takes to the road. Don't forget that speed and freedom on our roads is what is selling cars today. Americans will not be quick to give up what they consider their 'rights'.

Speed and freedom on which of our roads? Around us, I see traffic jams, accidents, occasional death or injury, stressed out drivers late to work because of crawling traffic. Americans are buying the cars not for "speed and Freedom" but because they have to get to work, drop of their kids to day care, buy things and the efficient public transportation does not exist. Or has been dismantled under the heavy lobbying of oil/car companies...



A lot of people do not like to drive every day and would've gladly taken public transportation if it existed...

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Old 05-27-2018, 09:18 PM
 
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Speed and freedom on which of our roads? Around us, I see traffic jams, accidents, occasional death or injury, stressed out drivers late to work because of slow traffic. Americans are buying the cars not for "speed and Freedom" but because they have to get to work, drop of their kids to day care, buy things and the efficient public transportation does not exist. A lot of people do not like to drive every day and would've gladly taken public transportation...
Conversely many like driving, but just deal with the daily grind.

I do not want an autonomous car personally
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Old 05-27-2018, 10:50 PM
 
Location: NYC
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The problem is people keep assuming these AI cars are super intelligent. Let's clear one thing for non-tech folks, advanced AI is not in cars or any machine yet. You will need $500k machine to match the computation power of Watson and there's not enough power to run high end computers onboard.

These self-driving cars have nothing more than simple set top computers with custom ASIC designed to process imagery, handle car navigation, and process sensor collected data and follow software. They are not deep learning devices yet. They are no more sophisticated than a couple of Xbox and PS4 boards strapped inside cars. Don't make these car tech seem like they are as sophisticated as HAL9000.



let's take a look at this Nvidia autonomous computer board meant to strap into cars. These are SOCs on this board that are as powerful as Nintendo Switch, there's no deep learning here. These are no more sophisticated than Xbox One X.



In fact the Nvidia Tegra on their autonomous tech board are Denver based Tegra which are used in tablets that are already outperformed by Apple's A11x SOC.

Why are they not capable of full autonomous driving yet? These underpowered autonomous tech are too weak to process real-time real world traffic. They are just low power computers with driving software like in video games.
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Old 05-27-2018, 10:55 PM
 
Location: In a perfect world winter does not exist
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I have a 2009 Cube with 56k miles on it. I suppose it will last 200k, and hopefully will be my very last car I have to drive myself. I dislike driving, the emotional element of having to deal with other drivers ruins the exp for me. Let the robots do it sooner the better.
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Old 05-28-2018, 03:48 AM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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Speed and freedom on which of our roads? Around us, I see traffic jams, accidents, occasional death or injury, stressed out drivers late to work because of crawling traffic. Americans are buying the cars not for "speed and Freedom" but because they have to get to work, drop of their kids to day care, buy things and the efficient public transportation does not exist. Or has been dismantled under the heavy lobbying of oil/car companies...



A lot of people do not like to drive every day and would've gladly taken public transportation if it existed...
  • Most of the country is not the NYC metro

  • Pubic transportation will never be the preferred option for most people. It doesn't and never did take lobbying of any sort, heavy or light, to sell cars and the vastly superior life quality they enable. What does and always will take lobbying - brainwashing is more like it - is getting people to live like cattle in a feedlot.
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Old 05-28-2018, 06:05 AM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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Speed and freedom on which of our roads? Around us, I see traffic jams, accidents, occasional death or injury, stressed out drivers late to work because of crawling traffic. Americans are buying the cars not for "speed and Freedom" but because they have to get to work, drop of their kids to day care, buy things and the efficient public transportation does not exist. Or has been dismantled under the heavy lobbying of oil/car companies...



A lot of people do not like to drive every day and would've gladly taken public transportation if it existed...

I understand that New Jersey has a very dense population and that much of your traffic crawls. But you will never see that in any car commercial. All you do see is open roads; no traffic in sight. Selling cars is not about reality; it is about our fantasies.



AI will work for some and not work for others.
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Old 05-29-2018, 10:31 PM
 
Location: Sylmar, a part of Los Angeles
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A Tesla sedan in auto mode plowed into a police cruiser parked in Orange county CA today. The police car was totaled
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Old 05-30-2018, 12:39 AM
 
Location: NYC
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A Tesla sedan in auto mode plowed into a police cruiser parked in Orange county CA today. The police car was totaled
Driver is 65, I put the blame on him rather than the auto-pilot. He most likely had slow reaction and too much trust in his prized Tesla that will save his poor driving skills.
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