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Old 06-13-2018, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Visibility, dangerous, drive up gas prices for everyone by increasing demand, but mostly because they’re highly likely to have a gaggle of kids in that soccer mom mobile and kids are bigger driving distractions than cell phones ever will be.
Not to mention their obnoxious size and amount of space they take up in parking lots or on the road. Plus the danger they pose to other car drivers in far smaller vehicles.

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People like the comfort of their home in their cars. Only Europeans/Asians, etc could deal with compact cars and being "crunched" in.
Interesting point that’s not usually considered
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Old 06-13-2018, 12:27 PM
 
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And what are you hauling during that time?
I'm not the one claiming I need an SUV/pickup because I need to haul stuff.
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Old 06-13-2018, 02:01 PM
 
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]You are crazy if you think large SUVs drive up gas prices[/b], so you think the FBI and the secret service are soccer moms they all drive big Tahoe’s or Suburbans. And what do you think Fire departments drive tree hugger cars. If you don’t like large SUV’s than stay out of their way. They have the same right to be on the road as your little clown cars.


If by "crazy" you mean "absolutely correct based on the principles of supply and demand" then yes, he is crazy.

Would gas prices be 50% lower if we replaced most suburbans and navigators and tahoes with priuses and volts? No. But demand would be lower and one would expect a drop in gas prices, if only a penny or two per gallon.
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Old 06-13-2018, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Watervliet, NY
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Would gas prices be 50% lower if we replaced most suburbans and navigators and tahoes with priuses and volts? No. But demand would be lower and one would expect a drop in gas prices, if only a penny or two per gallon.
Well, FWIW, gas prices around me have dropped in the last week. The station by my job was at $2.99 for 87 a week ago. Then it went to $2.97 and then $2.93. Today it is down to $2.89.
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Old 06-13-2018, 03:30 PM
 
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If by "crazy" you mean "absolutely correct based on the principles of supply and demand" then yes, he is crazy.

Would gas prices be 50% lower if we replaced most suburbans and navigators and tahoes with priuses and volts? No. But demand would be lower and one would expect a drop in gas prices, if only a penny or two per gallon.
From the miracle of fracking, the US has an assured oil supply for my lifetime. I don’t particularly care that the EPA head is destroying the drinking water supply in Oklahoma and North Dakota. Gasoline is cheap. Europe is going electric as is Asia. Anything that’s not a light truck gets great fuel economy and demand is way off from years ago. It’s caused a funding problem with the Interstate Highway fund since gas tax revenue is down.
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Old 06-13-2018, 04:03 PM
 
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Not to mention their obnoxious size and amount of space they take up in parking lots or on the road. Plus the danger they pose to other car drivers in far smaller vehicles.
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Some answers on why they get hate: they are large, take up excessive space in parking lots, are more likely to kill someone if involved in a crash with a smaller vehicle, use up lots of gas.
Have you considered that they drive the big pickups and SUVs, because it is safer for them and their family, and that is what is important to them. The simply do not feel safe, in those dinky match book cars they have shrunk normal cars down to. And the way several posters bring up that those big vehicles are safe, and the little dinky cars they driver are unsafe because of the bigger vehicles, it is apparent they know some of us put safety of ourselves and families first, and will drive the vehicle that can keep themselves and their families safe and alive. The big vehicle drivers, are not worried about the safety and lives of the small vehicle drivers and their passengers. They are worried about the safety of themselves, and their passengers. That may sound selfish, but the safety of myself and my family always came first.

In the past us big vehicle drivers selected large cars, with room enough for comfort and big and strong enough to protect ourselves and our families. The car makers have taken those cars away from us, so we have to move into SUVs and Pickups for comfort and safety.

A lot of posters say that they see these SUVs and Pickups carry only one passenger going to and from work. Of course people drive their vehicle to work, as well as carry their family and friends with enough room to carry them in their every day vehicle, which is a SUV or 4 door Pickup. At today's prices for cars, they don't keep a small car to go to work, and another for when they take their family along, or take their foursome plus 4 bags of clubs and carts out to the golf course 40 miles away. It is not their fault those little match book cars they build today, don't have the room to handle their life style.

I know a couple of late teen age girls, that participated in barrel racing. That is riding you horse at full speed around a course set up of barrels. They pulled horse trailers to shows, and did it by themselves. Those two are very pretty girls, just over 5 feet tall and slim. When they had their trailers hooked up, they are all business. They could load and unload a horse many times their size and weight, and were both winners. One was so good, that when she entered a lot of girls would not enter to compete, as they had no chance to win when she raced. When they take their pickups to school, you would see a very pretty young lady that turned the boy's heads, driving a F-250 4 wheel drive pickup into a parking lot.

One was my daughters best fried, who had a big trophy case full of winners cups. When she was ready to start college, her horse was the one that made it possible to win, and when another young woman tried her and came in second behind our friend for the first time in her life, her dad asked Ann how much. She named a price that was high enough along with her scholarship, her savings from barrel racing, she could attend a very good university with no school loans. The father who was a substantial businessman never even blinked at her price, and just wrote her a check for the horse far above what a similar saddle horse would sell for.

90% of the time those 2 girls did not need a pickup when they were away from home, BUT, when they were going to shows, they needed their pickup. How many young high school girls can afford a pickup and a small car a lot of people think we should all drive. They can't.

You see people with only one person in a big pickup going to work or school, and think it is wrong. But you don't know what the circumstances of their life is, and why they may need a large SUV or PICKUP. It is not all about taking something home from home depot as so many seem to think.

And the auto makers, know what is happening in their industry. They watch month after month the sales of sedans, etc., decline, and decline again. They watch month after month, and realize what type of vehicle they can sell in volume. First to go for Ford and General Motors was the Mini-van, when sales fell to the point they were no longer viable to keep engineering new models, and building them to sell in a declining market. Ford is the first auto maker to quit building sedans and other cars except the Mustang. They are shutting down spending billions of dollars to engineer new models of a vehicle that is going the way of the do-do bird. They will be converting their factories, to build what the public wants and is buying. Others will also follow along the same path over time.
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Old 06-13-2018, 04:31 PM
 
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If you need a huge truck and don’t need it for work, you’re compensating for something. Short man disease. Flaccid organ. The 50 foot trailer you live in at the trailer park. Male pattern baldness. Bottom of the totem pole at work. Dunno. It’s a lengthy list. Sorry if I’m hitting close to home.

I guess people who buy a TV bigger than they really need, or a computer a little faster than they really need, or a new phone when their old phone works just fine are all just compensating too, right?

Or maybe it is just another example of conspicuous consumption.

But that wouldn't fit the tired narrative of "the bigger the truck, the smaller the penis" so that can't be it, right?
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Old 06-13-2018, 06:17 PM
 
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I guess people who buy a TV bigger than they really need, or a computer a little faster than they really need, or a new phone when their old phone works just fine are all just compensating too, right?

Or maybe it is just another example of conspicuous consumption.

But that wouldn't fit the tired narrative of "the bigger the truck, the smaller the penis" so that can't be it, right?
Idk in Oklahoma it's popular to park on the grassy islands in the parking lot when all the spaces are full. Curbs are kinda high
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Old 06-13-2018, 06:27 PM
 
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I guess people who buy a TV bigger than they really need, or a computer a little faster than they really need, or a new phone when their old phone works just fine are all just compensating too, right?

Or maybe it is just another example of conspicuous consumption.

But that wouldn't fit the tired narrative of "the bigger the truck, the smaller the penis" so that can't be it, right?
How would buying a panel or laptop be visible to anyone? Phone? Yeah. Tons of broke people have iPhones to show the world they’re not poor. Poor people also buy old luxury cars for cheap money and can’t afford the big ownership costs. “Fake rich” cars.
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Old 06-13-2018, 06:50 PM
 
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How would buying a panel or laptop be visible to anyone? Phone? Yeah. Tons of broke people have iPhones to show the world they’re not poor. Poor people also buy old luxury cars for cheap money and can’t afford the big ownership costs. “Fake rich” cars.
I bet you each one of those last-generation german cars has a persistent check-engine light. The ones that don't, well, it just finally burned out.
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