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Old 06-06-2018, 05:12 PM
 
Location: London
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Here's the reality, trucks and SUVs dominate the US market.
Horses dominated the US market in 1900, in 1914 fossil fuel cars did. EVs that have 300 mile ranges do not have 150 in winter. Also new composite insulated car panels are being developed to keep heat in and out. The beat goes on.....

 
Old 06-06-2018, 05:16 PM
 
Location: London
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You're cherry picking technologies to make your point. Now go look at smoke detectors or lawn mowers. Not a lot's changed in 50 years.
The uptake of the internal combustion engine cars from horses was swift was was back U& white TV and was color TV as was digital cameras as was smart phones, and as will be EVs.

A disruptive technology. Uber is a disruptive business plan, based on smart phone disruptive technology. US car sales are down 10% because of Uber. Why bother with expensive cars? get an Uber to your location.
 
Old 06-06-2018, 05:18 PM
 
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More like 10 years.
I think we COULD make it in 10 years but only if Washington is pushy with some extremely gasser-unfriendly legislation like a bigger federal excise tax on gasoline or flat fee added to vehicle purchases, such as implementing the gas guzzler tax for ANY petrol or diesel fuel vehicle, not just inefficient ones.

However, I would NOT like that. I don't think we need to artificially de-incentivize petrol vehicles by essentially fining people for buying them. Electric vehicles and supporting infrastructure needs to advance to the point that ownership isn't a cumbersome or inconvenient transition for first-time customers.

Pull, not push.
 
Old 06-06-2018, 05:19 PM
 
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Horses dominated the US market in 1900, in 1914 fossil fuel cars did. EVs that have 300 mile ranges do not have 150 in winter. Also new composite insulated car panels are being developed to keep heat in and out. The beat goes on.....
The problem with your played out analogy is that nobody needed to subsidize cars. EV’s enjoy heavy subsidies and endorsements and still nobody’s buying them. Their wretched depreciation alone will eat up any fuel savings.
 
Old 06-06-2018, 05:21 PM
 
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There has been no disruptive technology.
Smart phone, lith-ion battery, home computers, internet, cell phones, Color TVs, digital cameras (giant Kodak went bust), Uber, etc, etc.

Are you a Satanist that wants to poison the lungs of millions?
 
Old 06-06-2018, 05:22 PM
 
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The uptake of the internal combustion engine cars from horses was swift was was back U& white TV and was color TV as was digital cameras as was smart phones, and as will be EVs.

A disruptive technology. Uber is a disruptive business plan, based on smart phone disruptive technology. US car sales are down 10% because of Uber. Why bother with expensive cars? get an Uber to your location.
Wow you are out of touch.
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-...-vehicle-sales
US car sales are actually at all time highs. Nobody commutes in an Uber. Uber is for going to the airport and bar hopping.
 
Old 06-06-2018, 05:23 PM
 
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I think we COULD make it in 10 years but only if Washington is pushy with some extremely gasser-unfriendly legislation like a bigger federal excise tax on gasoline or flat fee added to vehicle purchases, such as implementing the gas guzzler tax for ANY petrol or diesel fuel vehicle, not just inefficient ones.

However, I would NOT like that. I don't think we need to artificially de-incentivize petrol vehicles by essentially fining people for buying them. Electric vehicles and supporting infrastructure needs to advance to the point that ownership isn't a cumbersome or inconvenient transition for first-time customers.

Pull, not push.
Except everything from the plastic your phone is made of to the asphalt your car drives on is from petrol products.
 
Old 06-06-2018, 05:24 PM
 
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The problem with your played out analogy is that nobody needed to subsidize cars. EV’s enjoy heavy subsidies and endorsements and still nobody’s buying them. Their wretched depreciation alone will eat up any fuel savings.
Petro fuels enjoys great indirect subsidies. They are responsible for many deaths and health problems (air & accidents), but the auto/oil industry does not pick up the tab.
 
Old 06-06-2018, 05:26 PM
 
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Wow you are out of touch.
A disruptive technology. Uber is a disruptive business plan, based on smart phone disruptive technology. US car sales are down 10% because of Uber. Why bother with expensive cars? get an Uber to your location.
 
Old 06-06-2018, 05:26 PM
 
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Smart phone, lith-ion battery, home computers, internet, cell phones, Color TVs, digital cameras. Uber, etc, etc.

Are you a Satanist that wants to poison the lungs of millions?
None that is an EV technology. EV’s are powered by the same laptop batteries from 20 years ago.
Where’s your Segway and Google Glass references? Just cherry picking random technology and pretending they reinforce your point. EV will be more like diesel. Some people will buy them, most will not, and it will coexist with more popular power plants forever
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