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Or, the people can vote the idiots out of office, if we can ever trust elections again.
When electric cars truly become a "better" option than ICE vehicles, people will flock to them without needing to be pushed by government. They're just not there yet. They're getting closer each year, but so far, at least for me, they're just not there yet.
Exactly my point. I'm glad people are enthusiastic about it I'm glad people are researching how to make them better but for now they are a niche vehicle in the United States. Much like vehicles with manual transmission.
in order to make people buy electric cars you have to control their minds the government does not have that power
I didn't say it didn't have any influence at all. If the government mandates that nobody can produce conventional vehicles and there is not massive demand of electric vehicles and they're clearly isn't they only represent one to two percent of the market, all they're doing is mandating auto manufacturers go bankrupt. People will simply buy used cars.
They've been coming for decades they never become a significant part of the market if people wanted them they would buy them. They've been available throughout the entire 20th century.
I don't care who's investing how much money in it if you can't sell them the government can't force you to buy them.
If people wanted the electric cars the electric car market would be much more massive than it is.
The government doesn't have to control anyone's mind. They only have to control what the companies are allowed to sell and what they're not, or provide huge incentives to lean one way and huge disincentives to lean the other way. People who want to get places will buy what's put in front of them. The crap products of the 1970s proved that beyond any doubt.
Every time you post it becomes more obvious you have absolutely no knowledge of the current state of industry, or the market, or the regulatory environment under which they operate; and furthermore that you have no interest in learning about the subject either. What's more, there's nothing to argue here -- they're being developed brought to market by the major car companies as we speak (not just by niche players like Tesla), there are dozens more already in the production pipeline, and their market share is growing exponentially.
They're coming no matter how hard you shove your fingers down your ears and shout "NO THEY'RE NOT LA LA LA LA LA!!!" so you might as well start accepting that fact.
Electric cars represent two percent of the market. There isn't a massive breakthrough changing a paradigm here it's just they're a little better than they once were. The only thing I see different today than 15 years ago is these cars are tied to a personality Elon musk.
This isn't technological advancement electric cars have existed since 1890.
Color displays had existed for a long time prior to their general adoption, same with flatscreen monitors. The first LCDs having been known in the late 19th century--but it would generally be odd to say that's the same thing as the LCDs today, right?
Computers networked to each other and listserves and all that jazz existed well before most people were introduced to the idea and now you can find countless doofuses on the Internet.
You need to ignore the cult of personalities like that around Elon Musk and actually take a look at the underlying technologies.
The government doesn't have to control anyone's mind.
They can't fabricate demand either.
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They only have to control what the companies are allowed to sell and what they're not, or provide huge incentives to lean one way and huge disincentives to lean the other way. People who want to get places will buy what's put in front of them. The crap products of the 1970s proved that beyond any doubt.
Yeah like I said, all they can do is bankrupt businesses.
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Every time you post it becomes more obvious you have absolutely no knowledge of the current state of industry,
anytime I say anything that isn't absolute enthusiasm for the imminent takeover of electric cars people say this. I think it's wishful thinking on your part.
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or the market, or the regulatory environment under which they operate; and furthermore that you have no interest in learning about the subject either.
the market is simple supply and demand like any other economy. Electric cars represent one and fifty cars sold. They're not hundreds of thousands of dollars so the supply exceeds the demand. That's at 2% of the market. If the government does sweeping draconian authoritarian order to try and control people they won't be controlled they will just buy used cars or they'll buy a $4,000 set of tires and get a car free.
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What's more, there's nothing to argue here -- they're being developed brought to market by the major car companies as we speak (not just by niche players like Tesla), there are dozens more already in the production pipeline, and their market share is growing exponentially.
an enormous glut of supply with no demand is not going to magically create demand.
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They're coming no matter how hard you shove your fingers down your ears and shout "NO THEY'RE NOT LA LA LA LA LA!!!" so you might as well start accepting that fact.
what do you mean they're coming they've been here for over a century. Since 1890. you could get an electric car in 1990 you could get an electric car in 1960 they've been around for decades. They're not coming they're already here.
It's manufacturers make thousands of them they'll probably sell eventually. If they make millions of them they will rot in unsold car lot where they've been dumping vehicles that don't sell for years.
Color displays had existed for a long time prior to their general adoption, same with flatscreen monitors. The first LCDs having been known in the late 19th century--but it would generally be odd to say that's the same thing as the LCDs today, right?
Computers networked to each other and listserves and all that jazz existed well before most people were introduced to the idea and now you can find countless doofuses on the Internet.
You need to ignore the cult of personalities like that around Elon Musk and actually take a look at the underlying technologies.
So what's going to increase the demand of electric cars?
So what's going to increase the demand of electric cars?
Price parity on buying. And that's a happening quickly. The average price of a new car is about $35k. Same for new crossovers. And interestingly enough, new EVs tend to be around that price, too. For better performance and lower operating costs.
What it will take is advertising them on those merits. MOST new car buyers have a house with at least a driveway, so qualify for a cheap Level 2 charger (Level one is 110v and can be done from any household outlet). That would give most EV buyers a "Full tank" and full range every morning right from home without having to go anywhere. As was discussed in that other thread here, the average daily use of a car in the US is 22-35 miles (pre-covid) so most people will have no issues with range.
Also incentives that are already being given to apartments and condos to get that 25% of the population access to easy charging at home.
Even if we switched out all automobile production to EVs overnight, however, it would still take 30+ years to replace all the gas powered cars in the US (200 million of them) at current production rates. There's more than enough time to build out the charging infrastructure across the nation (it's pretty robust in most places right now if you look on sites like PlugShare) as well as the cleaner sources of electricity that are being rolled out.
Price parity on buying. And that's a happening quickly. The average price of a new car is about $35k. Same for new crossovers. And interestingly enough, new EVs tend to be around that price, too. For better performance and lower operating costs.
And drawbacks that conventional cars don't have, and less resale value.
The way to get people to buy lesser vehicles is charge less for them.
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What it will take is advertising them on those merits.
I disagree, what it will take is mitigating the drawbacks.
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MOST new car buyers have a house with at least a driveway, so qualify for a cheap Level 2 charger (Level one is 110v and can be done from any household outlet). That would give most EV buyers a "Full tank" and full range every morning right from home without having to go anywhere. As was discussed in that other thread here, the average daily use of a car in the US is 22-35 miles (pre-covid) so most people will have no issues with range.
But if they ever want to serve further away they'll have to rent out buy a conventional secondary car. This is a major drawback that has been present since the turn of the 20th century.
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Also incentives that are already being given to apartments and condos to get that 25% of the population access to easy charging at home.
So it has to be buttressed by the government and it still isn't being adopted?
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Even if we switched out all automobile production to EVs overnight, however, it would still take 30+ years to replace all the gas powered cars in the US (200 million of them) at current production rates. There's more than enough time to build out the charging infrastructure across the nation (it's pretty robust in most places right now if you look on sites like PlugShare) as well as the cleaner sources of electricity that are being rolled out.
But if there simply isn't the demand it will bankrupt auto manufacturers.
You have to get people to want these things and they don't. If they did we'd be driving electric cars.
And drawbacks that conventional cars don't have, and less resale value.
No different than luxury cars right now, but that's changing. Ever see the resale value on a Tesla? Rivals Toyota.
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The way to get people to buy lesser vehicles is charge less for them.
They are not lesser vehicles. You know that thread where you said mechanics are opinionated? Only true thing you've posted on this site since you got here.
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I disagree, what it will take is mitigating the drawbacks.
for the average commuter, there ARE no drawbacks and many cost benefits.
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But if they ever want to serve further away they'll have to rent out buy a conventional secondary car. This is a major drawback that has been present since the turn of the 20th century.
Not in most places, and the number that do that are still in the EXTREME minority. You guys always use edge cases to denigrate EVs when MOST people won't have that issue. Most people going over 1000 miles fly (well, pre-covid), especially those going from coast to coast. Most people, even in rural areas, tend to live within 100 miles of everything they need for their daily lives. Also MOST households, especially rural ones, have 2 or more cars already. And renting a second car for those very occasional trips for one car households STILL cost less than buying/registering/insuring a second car.
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So it has to be buttressed by the government and it still isn't being adopted?
There's no money being given out by the government. The incentives are coming from the power companies. Capitalism at work.
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But if there simply isn't the demand it will bankrupt auto manufacturers.
Pretty big if. As people try them they really like them. You've never tried one of the modern ones so you have zero experience and zero knowledge of them. Since you say you WON'T try one, you need to shut up about them. You want to talk about opinions? Try going on a medical forum and claim that it's your OPINION that you can cure cancer by rubbing grape jelly on your chest and chanting. Good luck whining about how people are mad at you for simply having an opinion when they all bust your butt about that one.
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You have to get people to want these things and they don't. If they did we'd be driving electric cars.
Two problems with that logic. Most people don't know about them or what exists out there, and people like you on the right tend to spout misinformation and BS about them so that buyers don't know what to think even if they DO hear about them. It'd be like if big screen LCD TVs were not advertised and then half the population claimed that they caused cancer and should never be bought and everyone should just stick with CRTs. That's how stupid some of you sound.
The whole reason for EVs is to reduce the overall amount of greenhouse gases ICE vehicles spew into our atmosphere.
So just spew it from the power plants? What's the point?
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in order to make people buy electric cars you have to control their minds the government does not have that power
