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Tesla Model Y comes close to meeting your requirements - tows 3500 lbs and now has a version for $42K RWD and 244mi range (AWD is $50K and 326 mi). There are very few crossovers that will tow 3500 pounds for $35K - on most you need to get the engine upgrades that put the base price right around that price.
FYI - I tow with a model X which is rated at 5000 lbs - tows really strong compared to gas SUV because so much torque at 0 rpm.
It isn't realistic to tow with it if you're towing something close to its maximum the battery is going to drain over a three times faster.
Current Model X will get you there (towing capacity 5,000 pounds, 360 miles range probably halved if towing at its capacity, AWD), but it is definitely more than $35K. To get that for $35K would probably have to be later in the decade.
No it has like a 60 mi range when it's doing 5,000 lb.
When the price comes waaaay down and the range goes waay up, call me I'll be first in line. For that to happen they will have to come from China. I read they're coming. That sounds like trouble just waiting to happen. Maybe they'll have an on board fire suppression system.
34 reactors have been permanently shut Down in the USA so nuclear power isn’t going to solve the problem.
The newest fission reactor designs are less likely to melt down than the older water-cooled designs. However, they still don't solve the nuclear waste issue. The USA has been running nuclear power plants for some 60+ years, and we've never accomplished anything to dispose of high level waste, nothing! It is amazing, how little progress there has been. The only thing that was done (sort of) was the federal approval of an "interim" storage site for waste in Yucca Mountain, in the wasteland of Nevada. But Nevada has never accepted that, and though the site was first proposed over 30 years ago, and approved 20 years ago, nothing has ever been done. And if the people of Nevada won't accept nuclear waste being buried under a mountain in a god-forsaken place that's been identified by scientists as the lowest risk location in the country, then you know that no other place will accept it either.
The newest fission reactor designs are less likely to melt down than the older water-cooled designs. However, they still don't solve the nuclear waste issue. The USA has been running nuclear power plants for some 60+ years, and we've never accomplished anything to dispose of high level waste, nothing! It is amazing, how little progress there has been. The only thing that was done (sort of) was the federal approval of an "interim" storage site for waste in Yucca Mountain, in the wasteland of Nevada. But Nevada has never accepted that, and though the site was first proposed over 30 years ago, and approved 20 years ago, nothing has ever been done. And if the people of Nevada won't accept nuclear waste being buried under a mountain in a god-forsaken place that's been identified by scientists as the lowest risk location in the country, then you know that no other place will accept it either.
Never heard of a Thorium reactor? They recycle neutrons from "nuclear waste." Nuclear waste will power the clean future of atomic energy, by eliminating all the nuclear waste. Waste from a properly done thorium reactor is nearly inert, and thorium is very plentiful. Nuclear waste is highly valuable as an energy source. Why you think we been saving it all, rather than take the Russian strategy of deep ocean dumping?
The newest fission reactor designs are less likely to melt down than the older water-cooled designs. However, they still don't solve the nuclear waste issue. The USA has been running nuclear power plants for some 60+ years, and we've never accomplished anything to dispose of high level waste, nothing! It is amazing, how little progress there has been. The only thing that was done (sort of) was the federal approval of an "interim" storage site for waste in Yucca Mountain, in the wasteland of Nevada. But Nevada has never accepted that, and though the site was first proposed over 30 years ago, and approved 20 years ago, nothing has ever been done. And if the people of Nevada won't accept nuclear waste being buried under a mountain in a god-forsaken place that's been identified by scientists as the lowest risk location in the country, then you know that no other place will accept it either.
Please cite the study which found Yucca Mountain the best site in the US. I think that is BS. There are a number of sites better suited. The only advantage of Yucca Mountain is that it is already controlled by the Feds.
Note that the contaminated aquifer under the atomic test site prevents the use of some aquifers to the south as pumping them would likely let contaminated water into other aquifers.
No it has like a 60 mi range when it's doing 5,000 lb.
Depends on a lot of factors, but generally better than that. At highway speeds, the main loss is actually the wind resistance on the trailers, so something like the below where even a somewhat more aerodynamic trailer (an Airstream trailer) yielded a 177 mile range on an older Model X versus the 108 miles of range of a far less aerodynamic trailer
Have you seen how awful the range is while towing?
Most people who tow regularly won't tolerate that.
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Originally Posted by vision33r
EVs are not good for towing, I would not buy an EV if I have to tow. Range is cut in 1/2 and charging and getting back out will be a pita. For towing it's gonna be ICE for now until somebody puts out a swappable battery pack.
Yea, EVs still have at least several years to go before they're good for towing *and* affordable enough to do so which would come after general vehicle price parity as people have different usage patterns. A new Model X or the likely upcoming Rivian pickups and SUV with their long range configurations will probably suffice for a lot of people, but they're both going to be pretty damn expensive. You'll really need battery prices to come down even more past $100/kWh and density about doubled what we have now for very large capacity battery packs to be both cheap enough and light enough to not be a large drain on efficiency for that to be possible for affordable EVs that can easily tow. If the 2020s see the magnitude of battery improvements that the 2010s did, then that should be a cinch, but of course past projections are not a guarantee of future results.
One interesting crinkle in this is if there comes along a standard data and power connection for EV towing where the towed trailer or such also comes with a battery pack and/or motor. Batteries and motors are pretty modular and electronic signal control isn't that complex given what EVs already have, so packing them isn't so hard and this would open up a lot of new possibilities as well as allow for efficiencies like not always dragging along enough battery capacity (and weight) for extended towing range even when not towing anything, but I think it'd be pretty difficult to get automakers to agree on a set standard for such.
One nice thing you find out about towing trailers to campgrounds with EVs is that the electrical hookups for trailers often are enough to give your EV a full charge overnight. It also serves as a nice climate-controlled guest house room without having the whine of a generator or engine.
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Never heard of a Thorium reactor? They recycle neutrons from "nuclear waste." Nuclear waste will power the clean future of atomic energy, by eliminating all the nuclear waste. Waste from a properly done thorium reactor is nearly inert, and thorium is very plentiful. Nuclear waste is highly valuable as an energy source. Why you think we been saving it all, rather than take the Russian strategy of deep ocean dumping?
Right, and the potential of thorium reactors and other promising nuclear reactor designs really drive home how important it is to transition to vehicles that use electric motors.
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