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Old 03-29-2021, 05:33 PM
 
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Well to bad rail car can’t back up to a loading dock in a. Assembly plant. Assembly plants work with inventory that is delivered right in time can’t be 2 hours late. And we’re talking about automotive parts not a. pair of shoes you have no idea in just in time delivery in the automotive industry. You think you do but you haven’t a clue. When i worked at Chrysler we had semi trucks delivering engines, seats, rims ,and tires every half hour.
I heard auto manufacturers are experiencing major problems with electronic chips right now.
Why can't they send more trucks to Taiwan as they are more than 2 hours late?
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Old 03-29-2021, 05:35 PM
 
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A lot of people don't have any common sense. They don't realize that taxing the trucking industry increases the cost of every item at the stores, from construction materials to food, and everything in between. Another tax only help the ones who create it, not the people at large. Most of the money collected is used along the way by the bureaucracy.
Well, since the trucks are carrying the goods bought by the end consumer, it's fair to pass that cost along. Who else is going to pay? The invisible guy behind the tree?

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just another tax helping the government to kill private business = full blown communism
I don't think you know what communism is. If you don't tax vehicles to pay for roads, where does the money come from?

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Just checked the IRS website. It seems the IRS allows for 56 cents per mile, if driven for business use.

Plan on this being the approx rate for driving all miles...
You get that 56 cents per mile as the full cost of operating the vehicle. That has nothing to do with what tax rate per mile would be necessary to fully fund the roads.

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I have to laugh at how dumb so many conservatives are these days. Their own politicians cut trillions in taxes for the wealthy, but you think they are for the little guys.
If people like Bezos paid even the actual top tax rate of 36%, he'd pay 2-3 billion in taxes, Which would leave him with 10+ billion. I'd bet he could survive on that. And closing the tax loopholes for that group of 1%ers (or even 10%ers) would pay for a lot of the infrastructure that's crumbling. But you guys that make little money will scream and cry about that, even though you'd never be affected.
Bezos pays taxes on his income. His Amazon salary is something like $80,000 per year, the same as it's been forever. He pays long term capital gains taxes on his stock sales. If you want to know how many shares he sold and how much money he received for them, the SEC Edgar site has all of the details. And, BTW, Bezos is worth over $100 billion on paper, depending on the current price of Amazon stock.
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Old 03-29-2021, 06:02 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit Michigan
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I heard auto manufacturers are experiencing major problems with electronic chips right now.
Why can't they send more trucks to Taiwan as they are more than 2 hours late?
This discussion should be moved to the political forum.
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Old 03-29-2021, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Raleigh
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Exactly. Because you never know when you're going to need that service, yourself. And even if you don't personally use it, we don't live alone.
Green new deal or not, Electric cars are becoming more and more viable, and gas taxes as a means of funding transit infrastructure are going to become less viable. Nothing Socialist about it, and at this point it wouldn't matter who was in the white house or congress, the electric vehicle is going to take a big bite of the gas tax apple.
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Old 03-29-2021, 07:24 PM
 
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Just checked the IRS website. It seems the IRS allows for 56 cents per mile, if driven for business use.

Plan on this being the approx rate for driving all miles...
One doesn't have anything to do with the other.
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Old 03-30-2021, 08:38 AM
 
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I think they should base vehicle tax on the weight of the vehicle.
Weight of vehicle by miles driven. Biggest factors in road wear
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Old 03-30-2021, 08:44 AM
 
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Don’t worry they will raise taxes, they have to pay the National debt somehow.
Spend a trillion dollars to buy Bitcoin, then Bitcoin will quadruple in value due to huge investment from a superpower giving it legitimacy, then sell those Bitcoins, pay off the original debt and have 3 trillion dollars profit for infrastructure. Easy peazy. It’s all fake money anyway.
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Old 03-30-2021, 09:04 AM
 
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There’s nothing unfair about a use tax. If somebody needs it for work, let them deduct it on their taxes. Then drop everybody’s portion of the income tax that goes to roads. You shouldn’t have to pay taxes on behalf of the guy who drives a 4000lb EV or hybrid to work 100 miles a day, or the guy who Uber Eats every meal and buys one Chinese built light bulb at a time from Amazon. It encourages local manufacturing and supply chains, and people living closer to work.
The current highway tax is unsustainable if the government wants everybody to drive fuel efficient vehicles and maintain the roads with gas taxes. Which one do they want?
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Old 03-30-2021, 09:29 AM
 
Location: NJ
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There’s nothing unfair about a use tax. If somebody needs it for work, let them deduct it on their taxes. Then drop everybody’s portion of the income tax that goes to roads. You shouldn’t have to pay taxes on behalf of the guy who drives a 4000lb EV or hybrid to work 100 miles a day, or the guy who Uber Eats every meal and buys one Chinese built light bulb at a time from Amazon. It encourages local manufacturing and supply chains, and people living closer to work.
The current highway tax is unsustainable if the government wants everybody to drive fuel efficient vehicles and maintain the roads with gas taxes. Which one do they want?
true but it has to be a fair rate and also it should replace other forms of taxation not just be an add on.
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Old 03-30-2021, 10:02 AM
 
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That's the most fair way to tax those who pollute the most traveling long distances.

If freeways won't be "free", people may start using electric trains.
So the federal gas tax generates about $43 billion a year.

https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/brie...ow-it-financed

As others have said if you have a gas powered vehicle the more you drive the more you pay in taxes which is fine. Its already a fair way of taxing those who pollute the most and not taxing at all those with electric vehicles. Why replace that? I am totally against raising taxes but in theory raising the gas tax would do the same thing as a per mile tax.

But if the gas tax is repealed and a per mile tax replaces it it would have to be massive to generate trillions of dollars in taxes. I would guess at a minimum taxes would have to go up 20 times of what gas taxes collected. That would be about $800 billion in new taxes. Still not enough to create the trillions for infrastructure.

Gas would be at least equal to at least $10 per gallon. And if that was the case the amount of driving would be greatly reduced which means tax collection on vehicles would go way down.

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