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View Poll Results: Who will survive
Dodge, electric is the future 8 10.81%
Toyota, were keeping gas around 66 89.19%
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Old 02-10-2023, 01:22 PM
 
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Old 02-12-2023, 04:45 PM
 
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If I was a Dodge investor I would not be happy. They have an extremely popular (although aged) car lineup, of people who love big engines, and big cars. Obviously there will be some curiosity with the niche of electric, but I just don't see their customer base moving over.

Toyota the worlds largest automaker, doesn't see their customers going electric anytime soon and they are not doing converting cars to electric.

Who do you think will succeed, and who will fail?
Just going back to this question, I think Dodge's strategy obviously is tied to that of Chrysler-Fiat-Peugeot-Stellantis (who came up with "Stellantis"? honestly!). Dodge isn't going to develop their own electric platform and battery system; the umbrella company will come up with a standardized platform and will either build their own batteries or partner with LG or one of the other battery giants.

By the way, I just noticed the Chrysler Airflow, a concept EV that looks beautiful and has 400 miles of range. I don't know if this means the Chrysler nameplate will stick around for a while, or are they just testing the waters to see if there's any demand?

As for Toyota, given they are the 2nd or 3rd largest manufacturing company in the world (VW is #1), you would expect them to easily create a Corolla-EV or a Camry-EV, just to keep their hand in the game. And a Lexus 350-EV... wow.

The new guy is less of a fuel cell evangelist and more of an EV enthusiast, so maybe we'll see them finally make a move in the next year or two. The only question is, can they catch up at this point with Tesla and BYD which have built out massive manufacturing and market shares these past few years. (Toyota at one point invested in Tesla, but sold out. I'll bet they're regretting that move now!)
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Old 02-14-2023, 12:48 AM
 
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Just going back to this question, I think Dodge's strategy obviously is tied to that of Chrysler-Fiat-Peugeot-Stellantis (who came up with "Stellantis"? honestly!). Dodge isn't going to develop their own electric platform and battery system; the umbrella company will come up with a standardized platform and will either build their own batteries or partner with LG or one of the other battery giants.

As for Toyota, given they are the 2nd or 3rd largest manufacturing company in the world (VW is #1), you would expect them to easily create a Corolla-EV or a Camry-EV, just to keep their hand in the game. And a Lexus 350-EV... wow.

The new guy is less of a fuel cell evangelist and more of an EV enthusiast, so maybe we'll see them finally make a move in the next year or two. The only question is, can they catch up at this point with Tesla and BYD which have built out massive manufacturing and market shares these past few years. (Toyota at one point invested in Tesla, but sold out. I'll bet they're regretting that move now!)
Just to clarify a few things - Stellantis is already the second biggest seller of EVs in Europe, just behind VW and ahead of Tesla so they have experience in house to build EVs.

According to Toyota press release from today - Lexus will restructure to compete better with Tesla and will revamp their lineup to be EV so more likely to see ES-EV than Camry-EV.. More info https://www.thestreet.com/technology...-change-on-evs
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