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Who said anything about starting? Quite a few players have went from the d-league or international play (because the d-league doesn't pay much) to being NBA players. Check out Danny Green, Birdman, Gary Neal, Lin, CJ Watson, Seth Curry, Whitesides, etc. Why did it take coaches, countless assistants and scouts years to ink a deal with these guys? Those are just some that didn't get away for one reason or another...who knows how many competent players did get away? No one is claiming that Jimmer would be a star - just that not all talented players find their niche in the NBA. It's just like the workforce for average Joes - sometimes lesser skilled people do well because they find the right situation. Sometimes players get lucky and catch a break with the right coach/team/scout that sees something or injuries allowing them to get their moment.
It wont be money either, Jimmer made $1 million in salary this season. Im not sure what their ceiling is, but he'd be at the top as well as possible endorsements too. So if he does take another shot at the NBA it would be for the love of the sport and playing at the top level. If not he will have a great career in China or Europe and make great money.
What rigas has no clue over is that these are all indicators and he vastly underestimates the CBA. He's mad that Jimmer beat up on Kawhi head to head in college and won national player of the year...lol
Nah, remember Leonard was never supposed to be a spur, and wasn't supposed to be more than a poor mans bruce Bowen on defense with little to no offense.
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Who said anything about starting? Quite a few players have went from the d-league or international play (because the d-league doesn't pay much) to being NBA players. Check out Danny Green, Birdman, Gary Neal, Lin, CJ Watson, Seth Curry, Whitesides, etc. Why did it take coaches, countless assistants and scouts years to ink a deal with these guys? Those are just some that didn't get away for one reason or another...who knows how many competent players did get away? No one is claiming that Jimmer would be a star - just that not all talented players find their niche in the NBA. It's just like the workforce for average Joes - sometimes lesser skilled people do well because they find the right situation. Sometimes players get lucky and catch a break with the right coach/team/scout that sees something or injuries allowing them to get their moment.
Of those guys you lists, how many averaged even 12ppg for a single season?
Only Lin and whiteside.
Birdman was in the dleague for a full season and a half maybe. Not "years"
Curry was in for 2 years and averaged 22ppg
His best NBA season. 11ppg this year.
Cj Watson only played 16 games in the d league.
I could go on and on.
Of all those guys, only whiteside, green and Lin have become anything "big"
Jimmer isn't coming back to the NBA he's going to stay in china and become a big big star in asia and there's not a single thing wrong with that.
Nah, remember Leonard was never supposed to be a spur, and wasn't supposed to be more than a poor mans bruce Bowen on defense with little to no offense.
Of those guys you lists, how many averaged even 12ppg for a single season?
Only Lin and whiteside.
Birdman was in the dleague for a full season and a half maybe. Not "years"
Curry was in for 2 years and averaged 22ppg
His best NBA season. 11ppg this year.
Cj Watson only played 16 games in the d league.
I could go on and on.
Of all those guys, only whiteside, green and Lin have become anything "big"
Jimmer isn't coming back to the NBA he's going to stay in china and become a big big star in asia and there's not a single thing wrong with that.
The point is that they played many seasons is the NBA and stuck around...made millions too. "Big" is a relative term because just about all NBA players are ballers...even Jimmer who only played a few meaningful seasons. Birdman had a LONG NBA career with many seasons over 15 mpg. Curry has had 2 solid seasons and he'll probably be around 3-4 more years based on what he's been allowed to do. CJ Watson only played 16 d-league games but Jimmer only played what 30-40? Watson has had a long NBA career putting up 7ppg on 42% shooting.
The point is that they played many seasons is the NBA and stuck around...made millions too. "Big" is a relative term because just about all NBA players are ballers...even Jimmer who only played a few meaningful seasons. Birdman had a LONG NBA career with many seasons over 15 mpg. Curry has had 2 solid seasons and he'll probably be around 3-4 more years based on what he's been allowed to do. CJ Watson only played 16 d-league games but Jimmer only played what 30-40? Watson has had a long NBA career putting up 7ppg on 42% shooting.
and yet you STILL miss the point. you're comparing guys who came straight out of the dleague into the nba. from nothing to something basically.
jimmer is the opposite, he was an nba player who went fully backwards. in his 5ish nba seasons, he played a TOTAL of 235 games. his 1st 2 seasons making up more than half of that total. his numbers had progressively gotten worse. even on the TERRIBLE knicks he played TWO games and a total of 5 minutes! but hey he did shoot 100% from 2 point range. (1 for 1) oops he also had a turnover, and a foul in those 5 minutes. he actually averaged more turnovers than assists.
on the middle of the road pels, the season before he got 50 games, and shot 38% in his 10 minutes average that season he he averaged 3.6ppg, nearly 1 TO, nearly 1 foul, and nearly 1 rebound and just over 1 assist. basically his assist to turnover ratio was nearly 1-1.
hell his career average A/T ratio is nearly 1-1.
so yeah while he could shoot in college, and in the d-league, and apparently in china too, the numbers show he cant cut the nba. either the speed is to fast, the athleticism is to great, or he is just uncoachable and has to be a "do it all my self" type of guy, hes just not cut out to be in the nba. after 5 years of trying, with the results getting worse and worse year by year, its pretty clear cut.
and yet you STILL miss the point. you're comparing guys who came straight out of the dleague into the nba. from nothing to something basically.
jimmer is the opposite, he was an nba player who went fully backwards. in his 5ish nba seasons, he played a TOTAL of 235 games. his 1st 2 seasons making up more than half of that total. his numbers had progressively gotten worse. even on the TERRIBLE knicks he played TWO games and a total of 5 minutes! but hey he did shoot 100% from 2 point range. (1 for 1) oops he also had a turnover, and a foul in those 5 minutes. he actually averaged more turnovers than assists.
on the middle of the road pels, the season before he got 50 games, and shot 38% in his 10 minutes average that season he he averaged 3.6ppg, nearly 1 TO, nearly 1 foul, and nearly 1 rebound and just over 1 assist. basically his assist to turnover ratio was nearly 1-1.
hell his career average A/T ratio is nearly 1-1.
so yeah while he could shoot in college, and in the d-league, and apparently in china too, the numbers show he cant cut the nba. either the speed is to fast, the athleticism is to great, or he is just uncoachable and has to be a "do it all my self" type of guy, hes just not cut out to be in the nba. after 5 years of trying, with the results getting worse and worse year by year, its pretty clear cut.
You can't just look at the numbers while playing erratic minutes. You have to look at how he was utilized. After his rookie year he didn't get any meaningful minutes. Look at JJ Redick - dominant college player that went straight to the pros and was considered a flop until he was around 25 years old and given minutes (5.5 ppg/41% shooting). He was considered a bust due to not being able to create his own shot, lack of speed, lack of defense, etc. Under slightly different circumstances we could be sitting here debating if JJ or Jimmer was the bigger flop.
and yet you STILL miss the point. you're comparing guys who came straight out of the dleague into the nba. from nothing to something basically.
jimmer is the opposite, he was an nba player who went fully backwards. in his 5ish nba seasons, he played a TOTAL of 235 games. his 1st 2 seasons making up more than half of that total. his numbers had progressively gotten worse. even on the TERRIBLE knicks he played TWO games and a total of 5 minutes! but hey he did shoot 100% from 2 point range. (1 for 1) oops he also had a turnover, and a foul in those 5 minutes. he actually averaged more turnovers than assists.
on the middle of the road pels, the season before he got 50 games, and shot 38% in his 10 minutes average that season he he averaged 3.6ppg, nearly 1 TO, nearly 1 foul, and nearly 1 rebound and just over 1 assist. basically his assist to turnover ratio was nearly 1-1.
hell his career average A/T ratio is nearly 1-1.
so yeah while he could shoot in college, and in the d-league, and apparently in china too, the numbers show he cant cut the nba. either the speed is to fast, the athleticism is to great, or he is just uncoachable and has to be a "do it all my self" type of guy, hes just not cut out to be in the nba. after 5 years of trying, with the results getting worse and worse year by year, its pretty clear cut.
I thought you knew the nba better than this?! You know it has everything to do with minutes. His per 36 average is 16.2 with a high over 20.
You can't just look at the numbers while playing erratic minutes. You have to look at how he was utilized. After his rookie year he didn't get any meaningful minutes. Look at JJ Redick - dominant college player that went straight to the pros and was considered a flop until he was around 25 years old and given minutes (5.5 ppg/41% shooting). He was considered a bust due to not being able to create his own shot, lack of speed, lack of defense, etc. Under slightly different circumstances we could be sitting here debating if JJ or Jimmer was the bigger flop.
you dont get it do you. if youre athleticism, speed, skills (outside of shooting) and changeability are all in question/suspect, then how do you get "meaningful minutes?" short answer is, MOVE TO CHINA apparently.
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I thought you knew the nba better than this?! You know it has everything to do with minutes. His per 36 average is 16.2 with a high over 20.
laughable.
boban marjanovic played 54 games last season averaging 9.4 minutes per game. his per 36 numbers are 21ppg, 13.7 rpg, 1.5 apg, .9 spg, 1.6 bpg.
those numbers are irrelevant and meaningless just like jimmers, but if you want to compare, jimmers BEST per 36 season was his 3rd season where he split time between sac and chi. his 49 games, he averaged 10.6 mpg. his per 36 numbers 18.9 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 4.4 apg, 1 spg, .2 bpg, 3.3 topg, 2.4 fpg.
but then the same people making cases for jimmers per 36 while averaging 10 mpg, are those who discredited duncans per 36 while he was averaging 28 mpg.
jimmers "high over 20" was on EIGHT GAMES in chicago.
i mean come on man, that argument is just silly.
hell lets look at his per 36 in NYC. he has a 50.2 ppg on per 36 over the course of his "season" there.
you dont get it do you. if youre athleticism, speed, skills (outside of shooting) and changeability are all in question/suspect, then how do you get "meaningful minutes?" short answer is, MOVE TO CHINA apparently.
laughable.
boban marjanovic played 54 games last season averaging 9.4 minutes per game. his per 36 numbers are 21ppg, 13.7 rpg, 1.5 apg, .9 spg, 1.6 bpg.
those numbers are irrelevant and meaningless just like jimmers, but if you want to compare, jimmers BEST per 36 season was his 3rd season where he split time between sac and chi. his 49 games, he averaged 10.6 mpg. his per 36 numbers 18.9 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 4.4 apg, 1 spg, .2 bpg, 3.3 topg, 2.4 fpg.
but then the same people making cases for jimmers per 36 while averaging 10 mpg, are those who discredited duncans per 36 while he was averaging 28 mpg.
jimmers "high over 20" was on EIGHT GAMES in chicago.
i mean come on man, that argument is just silly.
hell lets look at his per 36 in NYC. he has a 50.2 ppg on per 36 over the course of his "season" there.
You basically just confirmed what I said. Yet another indicator. You're still mad!?
you dont get it do you. if youre athleticism, speed, skills (outside of shooting) and changeability are all in question/suspect, then how do you get "meaningful minutes?" short answer is, MOVE TO CHINA apparently.
laughable.
boban marjanovic played 54 games last season averaging 9.4 minutes per game. his per 36 numbers are 21ppg, 13.7 rpg, 1.5 apg, .9 spg, 1.6 bpg.
those numbers are irrelevant and meaningless just like jimmers, but if you want to compare, jimmers BEST per 36 season was his 3rd season where he split time between sac and chi. his 49 games, he averaged 10.6 mpg. his per 36 numbers 18.9 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 4.4 apg, 1 spg, .2 bpg, 3.3 topg, 2.4 fpg.
but then the same people making cases for jimmers per 36 while averaging 10 mpg, are those who discredited duncans per 36 while he was averaging 28 mpg.
jimmers "high over 20" was on EIGHT GAMES in chicago.
i mean come on man, that argument is just silly.
hell lets look at his per 36 in NYC. he has a 50.2 ppg on per 36 over the course of his "season" there.
Speed, athleticism, skills...hmm, didn't the coaches, scouts, GMs, commentators, professional talent evaluators know what Jimmer brought to the table BEFORE making him a top 15 draft pick? Did Jimmer suddenly become all those thing when entering the NBA? Obviously, they thought he brought something positive to the table. The same arm chair QBs acting like pro scouts evaluating Jimmer's game are probably the same ones that said JJ was a bust after year 1, 2 or 3...obviously too slow, unalthletic, small, right? Obviously, Seth Curry was destined to be an average D-league player. I guess it was also PAINFULLY obvious for almost a decade that Bruce Bowen was a scrub destined to spend his pitiful career bouncing around Europe and the CBA.
Basketball isn't a perfect science. After you get away from the elite talent that can't be overlooked, some players find their niche and some don't. It is possible to believe certain players could have a role despite what the NBA thinks. It's not an experiment though so we can't test out 50 different scenarios. I wouldn't be surprised if you see Jimmer playing high level basketball somewhere before his career is over (Euroleague).
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